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    Tiny change request for vote to abandon

    Hello,
    today I entered an expert roulette (Brayflox hard popped) just to see the vote to abandon message pop a bit after the 2nd boss died.
    I refused but the dungeon ended anyway. After a bit of research I found out that the other 3 people were from the same server (Cerberus), 2 of which were in the same FC. Probably it was a party finder trying to abuse the duty finder for myth farm.

    Anyway…
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    As a possible solution, would it be possible to increase the 15min timer before the vote to abandon is available by something like 5 minutes everytime a boss is killed? So if after a boss 3 minutes are left on the timer, it would be increased to 8 minutes.
    If the party is going well (if the bosses are being killed, it means that it's not going bad) the vote to abandon will be hardly needed and increasing the timer could prevent those people from abusing it.

    Thank you.
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    I just wish they made it so if you say no to the abandon only the people that voted yes leave, shouldnt get kicked out if you said no it's really bad in CT if someone does vote abandon on behem king after 1 wipe then getting kicked out.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimsonforce View Post
    I just wish they made it so if you say no to the abandon only the people that voted yes leave, shouldnt get kicked out if you said no it's really bad in CT if someone does vote abandon on behem king after 1 wipe then getting kicked out.....
    I second this, if they vote abandon then only the "yes" votes should get leave. Since the duty is not full at that point, then everyone else is free to leave at their leisure.

    However, more to the point on brayflox, there needs to be a benefit to finishing the dungeon after you've capped your SLD for the week. The best solution is converting excess SLD -> Myth, but I've heard that SE doesn't want to do that for some stupid reason.
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    Last edited by Giantbane; 05-17-2014 at 09:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimsonforce View Post
    I just wish they made it so if you say no to the abandon only the people that voted yes leave, shouldnt get kicked out if you said no it's really bad in CT if someone does vote abandon on behem king after 1 wipe then getting kicked out.....
    I think that's a really good idea actually Then at least you're given the option to wait it out for replacements or leave too. Rather than just being thrown to the back of the queue again.
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    I'm almost certain this is a violation of the ToS in response to a grief tactic in by abusing the function against the will of another player's gameplay for personal exploitation.

    At the very least you "should" report the situation, time, location, and all player names involved to a GM for review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyKotoShi View Post
    I'm almost certain this is a violation of the ToS in response to a grief tactic in by abusing the function against the will of another player's gameplay for personal exploitation.

    At the very least you "should" report the situation, time, location, and all player names involved to a GM for review.
    I did right now, hopefully it goes through.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barboron View Post
    My 2 cent on this is that partial-parties that DF 1 or more members should have a shared vote between the members of the pre-made. For example, in your case, the three of them would cast their vote and based on the majority, that would go to a single vote, matched with your own. If two of them voted yes and one voted no, it would be a total of 1 vote for yes between the three of them against or with your vote regardless of your decision. This would prevent parties from over powering dungeons like this, and especially CT for vote kick or vote abandon abuse.

    The reason I suggest this is because usually pre-made parties are easily influenced by a single member of their party or go in with the intention of abandoning after a specific point (like the two boss clear).
    This is another possible solution.
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    My 2 cent on this is that partial-parties that DF 1 or more members should have a shared vote between the members of the pre-made. For example, in your case, the three of them would cast their vote and based on the majority, that would go to a single vote, matched with your own. If two of them voted yes and one voted no, it would be a total of 1 vote for yes between the three of them against or with your vote regardless of your decision. This would prevent parties from over powering dungeons like this, and especially CT for vote kick or vote abandon abuse.

    The reason I suggest this is because usually pre-made parties are easily influenced by a single member of their party or go in with the intention of abandoning after a specific point (like the two boss clear).
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    I'd be more for 'you can't vote to abandon unless you've wiped on a boss and you lasted more than 3 mins' like how the echo buff kicks in XD

    Is there a lockout for it? I know you can't vote to kick for like some time after initiating a kick vote...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leknaat View Post
    I'd be more for 'you can't vote to abandon unless you've wiped on a boss and you lasted more than 3 mins' like how the echo buff kicks in XD

    Is there a lockout for it? I know you can't vote to kick for like some time after initiating a kick vote...
    I think it's around a 6hr cool down until you can start another vote. Nothing would stop you from getting someone else in the party from starting a vote though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriat View Post
    I think it's around a 6hr cool down until you can start another vote. Nothing would stop you from getting someone else in the party from starting a vote though.
    yeah but if it's a premade of 3 people doing stuff like that at least they'd only get 3 runs then be forced to sit around twiddling their thumbs XD
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