Turn 5 seems too difficult

[Kikosho]

you are completely wrong. the conflags had their hp nerfed by 40% months ago.

They did not. They have the same HP as they have had before even during the timeframe when Coil had those unwanted changes in T2 and T5 concerning enemy AI shortly after 2.16.

[Yumi_umi]

I know a few ppl who are in my fc that had problems with t5, ( being fresh, unsure about mechanics etc.)
Some of them watched vids and still have some questions and the such but i can't blame them cuz when i was first introduced to t5 pre 2.1 i was so scared of conflags lol.
But since i have finally cleared it a few times and know the fight pretty much, i decided to take my time and teach a few ppl and some in my fc for an hour or 2 each day if possible.
Sure wiping a lot sucks but i just want to teach them most of the fight as a lot of T5 parties in PF require exp up to twisters etc.

[darkstarpoet1]

just removing the post to keep from an argument

[Lovescake]

Please.. if anything T5 is now the best Learning Barrier we have next to Titan.

Twin's attacks got nerfed, health of snakes and conflags got nerfed quite alot, approx 33% as said above. Echo buff of 15% which is a dramatic increase so much where i've had a tank, a healer and 2 DPS dead and still recovered and finished the fight.

If anything is going wrong it must be your group co-ordination.

T5 requires you to co-operate, especially without pets, fireball damage soaked effectively with groups if no pets,designate the OT with them in a static position throughout pre-divebombs if available , fireballs should be nullified when a conflag is up by running into it. DPS need to burn the conflags and not twin when they arrive, Healers need to remember Death Sentence, moving as a group for divebombs and so forth. you get the drift.

this fight is a group fight, make sure your group can learn and adjust and you should be fine to down it, especially with the echo buff.[

[Taika]

What makes the fight "hard" for groups to learn is that it's the first one that requires the players to both know how to play their jobs effectively and understand the battle mechanics. Some players and groups are "learning" fights by banging their heads against a wall, doing the same thing over and over again, closing their eyes and wishing good luck. When they wipe they start from the beginning without ever asking what went wrong and how they should fix it. Many are just following some guides they have read or watched, seen they have to stand in certain corner during the divebombs without having a clue how the divebombs actually work, for example. That kind of a player or group may get there, eventually, but they haven't really learned the fight and may have issues repeating it, especiallly with different setup or strategy.

To everyone still struggling with this fight, do yourselves a favour: every time you wipe, make sure you (and everyone else in the group) knows why that happened and what you can do prevent from that from happening again.