Ilevel requirement needs revision

[Kimura410]

Interesting. Earlier I ran t4 in DF with 2 SB rings and a bracelet. Im a tank, ilvl 101 normally. Is it still wrong, even when I am far above the ilvl requirement if I were to unequip those pieces. Is it still wrong when I still meet the accuracy cap as well? I could understand if I had something that lowered my defense, but rings and accessories don't.

We hit enrage, so maybe the dps weren't properly geared either? On top of that, the group did the kill order at the end wrong, killing adds first and leaving 2 dreads on me and eventually leaving me with no CDs. So I could just as easily have called them out for going into the fight not prepared and not knowing what to do. The thing is, I can't, because I don't pay their sub, and theres no rule that states one needs to know the fight before entering. Just like theres no rule against what gear you wear, as long as you meet ilvl.

I agree that you should meet some sort of stat requirement instead of ilvl, but i don't necessarily think certain gear itself should be banned. My static and I should be free to do whatever content we want in whatever gear we want pre made style. maybe block certain gear in pug duty finder. The bad thing is, someone could just not have any rings except crafting, so they equip a 55 ring of crafting gear just to meet the ilvl. I don't agree with that at all. But if you are already over geared, I don't see the problem.

[Xine]

If you wanna spiritbind crafting/gathering gear, do like everyone else does and do it in Pre-formed parties or in Urth's Fount on the Water Sprites, don't waste 3-7 other people's time by forcing them to carry you in a dungeon because you want to make some gil or are too cheap/poor to buy the overpriced materia. There's also daily beastmen quests as well as leves if you want to spiritbind.

Personally I don't mind if people want to SB a couple pieces, but an entire set minus their weapon? GTFO, I don't care how skilled you are, that's just completely rude to everyone else in the party. Want your Craftsmanship Competence IIIs so bad? Go do it elsewhere and not in Duty Finder with random people, that makes about as much sense as jumping into DF trying to learn EX Primals. People complain about the bad/negativity in the game's community and it starts with people like this Dragoon who don't care about the people he's screwing over for himself. In a sense its almost exactly like real life but I know plenty who make it in real life without screwing others over and are quite highly respected for being who they are and doing what they do.

[UBERHAXED]

Ignorance is bliss.

If your entire party was in crafting SB gear (As in not a single stat of str, dex, vit, int, or mnd) you would be unable to clear WP. Let alone any other lv 50 dungeon. It's not about a speed run. It's about forcing a group to do a dungeon with 3 members so you can get free materia.

Noob. I did WP with 3 dps, and one healer all with lvl 80 weapons and ghost costumes back in October. It's called skill. The fact that you think that gear is everything questions your ability as a player in general.

[juniglee]

Noob. I did WP with 3 dps, and one healer all with lvl 80 weapons and ghost costumes back in October. It's called skill. The fact that you think that gear is everything questions your ability as a player in general.

Nobody said it can't be done. People want to clear it in 20 minutes, compared to 40 minutes, is all.

[UBERHAXED]

Nobody said it can't be done. People want to clear it in 20 minutes, compared to 40 minutes, is all.

The quote stated that it wasn't able to be done. And further more, not only were we under geared but we were using a non standard party (no tank). If the OP goes in the dungeon with his gear (he's a tank) then unless he's trying to speed run and pull many packs at once, no matter what other players are wearing (you can't wear a crafting weapon so that stays the same) you will still clear in normal time.

[juniglee]

The quote stated that it wasn't able to be done. And further more, not only were we under geared but we were using a non standard party (no tank). If the OP goes in the dungeon with his gear (he's a tank) then unless he's trying to speed run and pull many packs at once, no matter what other players are wearing (you can't wear a crafting weapon so that stays the same) you will still clear in normal time.

He did say it in page 2:

As quickly as possible means to do the dungeon in a timely manner such that people should be in proper gear and be doing/ trying to do well. No where did I ever say that I expect an SR. I always ask and access the party if its possible to do an SR.

Like someone else posted, if all 4 people were in crafted gear, sure, maybe you can do the dungeon, but each DR is going to take you maybe 50% longer to complete.

Not that I don't say SB shouldn't be done, since I do it myself. Just pointing out that people are not saying it can't be done, just that it takes longer, and ain't nobody got time for that.

[UBERHAXED]

He did say it in page 2:



Not that I don't say SB shouldn't be done, since I do it myself. Just pointing out that people are not saying it can't be done, just that it takes longer, and ain't nobody got time for that.

Not seeing the issue then... There are plenty of times I do dungeons and wipe until time runs out, but this is not the reason. If the dungeon can still be done, then don't harass other players based on their preference of playing a game. And lastly, if you don't have time to finish due to your party: when your time runs out, quit and take your penalty like a man. You know, seeing as you had to leave the game so it doesn't affect you.

[Antanias]

I think if you have even one point of craftsmanship, perception, morale, etc...then you shouldn't be able to queue for non-pvp duties.

[juniglee]

Not seeing the issue then... There are plenty of times I do dungeons and wipe until time runs out, but this is not the reason. If the dungeon can still be done, then don't harass other players based on their preference of playing a game. And lastly, if you don't have time to finish due to your party: when your time runs out, quit and take your penalty like a man. You know, seeing as you had to leave the game so it doesn't affect you.

You seem to be misinterpreting my message. I'm simply correcting you saying nobody said it couldn't be done (ie. meeting dps checks, health requirements).

I simply said that these people don't advocate spiritbonding in dungeons because it will take them 20 minutes longer than normal. They probably feel their time is better spent elsewhere - in that 20 minutes they could have completed another run.

I personally avoid speed runs and the likes, because I take my time and run stuff. Because I want to kill everything and spiritbond as much as I can.

I've said nothing about honest attempts at wiping in dungeons until time runs out. I have wiped at Siren for 70 minutes, and not cleared it before too, with proper gear.

I think if you have even one point of craftsmanship, perception, morale, etc...then you shouldn't be able to queue for non-pvp duties.

What about if I wear DEX gear as a tank?

[Seif]

I'm not SBing in DF but is that really so bad?

However I do think sone dungeons could use a higher ilvl to enter:

WP and siren's dungeon. Those are the only places so far where it seems like you can just die if you're under equipped.