Consern regarding Brutal Mode

[AmyNeudaiz]

I have a deep concern that making Brutal Mode have virtually no different reward than normal mode will cause false numbers in terms of interest in such content.
When presented with two options: 1) The easy route 2) The hard route - it is human nature to go the path of least resistance to obtain the same reward (ie spamming Brayflox HM instead of any other dungeon). Factoring this it will cause the devs to see small participation in Brutal mode as small interest when the interest is in fact there.

SOLUTION 1: Give Brutal Mode gear an alternate color scheme. This requires relatively minimal work and just a reworking of textures and I'd imagine would make a lot of players happy
SOLUTION 2: Give Brutal Mode minions to obtain of each of the bosses and I'd imagine this would make a lot of other players happy as well, but most likely less interest than different color schemes

My reasoning behind this is that when challenged with either the path of least resistance or a harder alternative it is human nature to go that path of least resistance for the same end goal, but when presented with different rewards it will give a reason to pursue said harder alternative.

Or you can actually listen to what they said: "It's just a test, we might implement different drops if we have positive feedback"

Allow me to clarify: If they do not receive much interest in this "test" then they will see it as we do not want it. The test will be skewed and this is what I want to avoid.




EDIT: Just noticed the typo in the title. I am smart

[Youmadesca]

Or you can actually listen to what they said: "It's just a test, we might implement different drops if we have positive feedback"

[SarcasmMisser]

It's for the people who did stuff like 1 tank 1 heal titan em during 2.1, it is certainly not the path of least resistance but a fun extra challenge and it's target audience don't need a carrot.

[Yukiko]

It's for the people who did stuff like 1 tank 1 heal titan em during 2.1, it is certainly not the path of least resistance but a fun extra challenge and it's target audience don't need a carrot.

I known it, eliteists are all like fat chocobos
Give them a carrot, please! *sarcasm*

Brutal Mode should have no reward other than the title, and it's cool as it is. It is something that is not actually meant to be completed, if they put any kind of reward in it people will start complaining that it's too hard and it will eventually be nerfed, defeating the "brutal" purpose.

Well said my friend

I agree SarcasmMisser, there doesn't need to be any incentive or reward for hard content. For those players the incentive is the challenge itself. The title is plenty as token of pride for them. Best of luck to any who'll be taking on this challenge!! It's very exciting and I'll enjoy watching streams / vids of brutal mode since I don't think I'll be able to participate myself (maybe someday >_<).

Exactly this, sooo true! (expect that i will try them, i love impossible fights)

[Cherie]

It's for the people who did stuff like 1 tank 1 heal titan em during 2.1, it is certainly not the path of least resistance but a fun extra challenge and it's target audience don't need a carrot.

Would people still do brayflox if it didn't drop tomes to get i100 gear?

People are people, I'm so tired of this Casual Vs Hardcore argument. I'm not even going to ever get to run "brutal" mode, even if there was a good carrot to get from it. Even so, I think there should be one. I won't get all hurt to see people running around wearing/using whatever it could be. I don't know a single person in 10 years of MMOs that ever got excited about some title, with the rare exception that it rhymed with their name or something.

If they aren't going to put a good carrot in for it, they shouldn't even put brutal modes in there. I'd rather personally that they spend their time making content people will actually do.

It's hard enough to establish seven other people that want to be in a static and run stuff every week, for the *easy* mode stuff.... :/ Brutal modes won't get done in this game's community without a good carrot. Only group that might not *need* a carrot would be some group that is going for a "world first", and then brutal mode will never be done again... lol

[Gormogon]

Would people still do brayflox if it didn't drop tomes to get i100 gear?

Before the novus patch was release I did farm brayflox even after being soldiery capped and having to spend myth since I was always nearing the 2,000 cap. It's like you believe doing something for the sake of doing it is just such a ridiculous notion.

People want a challenge and that's the carrot Brutal mode offers. The icing on the cake is the title that goes with it as evidence to completing that challenge which isn't needed but it is still there. Same with coil giving gear. You don't need coil gear to down coil. The gear is a reward for being able to tackle it and completing the challenge.

I miss the good ol days where gear wasn't gated behind raids.

[Yukiko]

I miss the good ol days where gear wasn't gated behind raids.

*sigh*
Good old days... Anyone up for some MUD fun?

[Cherie]

I miss the good ol days where gear wasn't gated behind raids.

When was this? I bet I'm older than you... :P

[Gormogon]

When was this? I bet I'm older than you... :P

What's your point? There where people that were in their late 80's playing WoW when it launched and were part of the guild I was in. Player age is insignificant to the actual age of when MMO's where released.

I'm talking about MMO's that were released in the late 1990's and early 2000's where the notion of "instanced raid" didn't exist that current MMO standards rely heavily for doing end game content.

[SarcasmMisser]

It's hard enough to establish seven other people that want to be in a static and run stuff every week, for the *easy* mode stuff.... :/ Brutal modes won't get done in this game's community without a good carrot. Only group that might not *need* a carrot would be some group that is going for a "world first", and then brutal mode will never be done again... lol

You just provided another carrot; I'll look forward to proving you wrong.