Consern regarding Brutal Mode

[AmyNeudaiz]

I have a deep concern that making Brutal Mode have virtually no different reward than normal mode will cause false numbers in terms of interest in such content.
When presented with two options: 1) The easy route 2) The hard route - it is human nature to go the path of least resistance to obtain the same reward (ie spamming Brayflox HM instead of any other dungeon). Factoring this it will cause the devs to see small participation in Brutal mode as small interest when the interest is in fact there.

SOLUTION 1: Give Brutal Mode gear an alternate color scheme. This requires relatively minimal work and just a reworking of textures and I'd imagine would make a lot of players happy
SOLUTION 2: Give Brutal Mode minions to obtain of each of the bosses and I'd imagine this would make a lot of other players happy as well, but most likely less interest than different color schemes

My reasoning behind this is that when challenged with either the path of least resistance or a harder alternative it is human nature to go that path of least resistance for the same end goal, but when presented with different rewards it will give a reason to pursue said harder alternative.

Or you can actually listen to what they said: "It's just a test, we might implement different drops if we have positive feedback"

Allow me to clarify: If they do not receive much interest in this "test" then they will see it as we do not want it. The test will be skewed and this is what I want to avoid.




EDIT: Just noticed the typo in the title. I am smart

[Youmadesca]

Or you can actually listen to what they said: "It's just a test, we might implement different drops if we have positive feedback"

[SarcasmMisser]

It's for the people who did stuff like 1 tank 1 heal titan em during 2.1, it is certainly not the path of least resistance but a fun extra challenge and it's target audience don't need a carrot.

[Zanarkander]

Brutal Mode should have no reward other than the title, and it's cool as it is. It is something that is not actually meant to be completed, if they put any kind of reward in it people will start complaining that it's too hard and it will eventually be nerfed, defeating the "brutal" purpose.

[Velo_Vandore]

I agree SarcasmMisser, there doesn't need to be any incentive or reward for hard content. For those players the incentive is the challenge itself. The title is plenty as token of pride for them. Best of luck to any who'll be taking on this challenge!! It's very exciting and I'll enjoy watching streams / vids of brutal mode since I don't think I'll be able to participate myself (maybe someday >_<).

[Yukiko]

It's for the people who did stuff like 1 tank 1 heal titan em during 2.1, it is certainly not the path of least resistance but a fun extra challenge and it's target audience don't need a carrot.

I known it, eliteists are all like fat chocobos
Give them a carrot, please! *sarcasm*

Brutal Mode should have no reward other than the title, and it's cool as it is. It is something that is not actually meant to be completed, if they put any kind of reward in it people will start complaining that it's too hard and it will eventually be nerfed, defeating the "brutal" purpose.

Well said my friend

I agree SarcasmMisser, there doesn't need to be any incentive or reward for hard content. For those players the incentive is the challenge itself. The title is plenty as token of pride for them. Best of luck to any who'll be taking on this challenge!! It's very exciting and I'll enjoy watching streams / vids of brutal mode since I don't think I'll be able to participate myself (maybe someday >_<).

Exactly this, sooo true! (expect that i will try them, i love impossible fights)

[Andres_Lonegrief]

Different rewards might result in not skilled / properly trained players to join a party of hardcore and messing up with them. Brutal Coil as it is now really looks like something designed for only hardcore players and I'm happy with this. It's sounds like now every kind of player will have something that matches his need

1.normal end content / main quest story etc for everyone;
2.Primals EX (and actually I can't think of anything else now) for players who might enjoy a more challenging content
3.Brutal coil for all the hardcore gamers out there ...

Having no special bonuses doesn't make you feel like you are "supposed" to clear it, so it's somehow different from the Primal EX.

Just my two cents on this.

[Radacci]

If it was human nature to take the path of least resistance, humanity wouldn't have moved out of Africa.
People wouldn't be working-out, or climbing mountains.

People aren't going to skip brutal, cause it's the most resistance. They ARE going to do brutal, BECAUSE it offers the most resistance, because they find normal-mode, to easy and boring.

[Taruranto]

Brutal Mode should have no reward other than the title, and it's cool as it is. It is something that is not actually meant to be completed, if they put any kind of reward in it people will start complaining that it's too hard and it will eventually be nerfed, defeating the "brutal" purpose.

Brutal Mode should have an entirely different set of gears and a title.

You are not good enough to beat it? You don't get it, plain and simple. Do normal coil and or get tomes gear.

Back in the old mmorpg days, not everyone could complete everything. It's good to have hard, unerfed content, it gives players something to striver and aim for.

If it was human nature to take the path of least resistance, humanity wouldn't have moved out of Africa.
People wouldn't be working-out, or climbing mountains.

People aren't going to skip brutal, cause it's the most resistance. They ARE going to do brutal, BECAUSE it offers the most resistance, because they find normal-mode, to easy and boring.

No, they won't. Just like don't do T2 normal mode anymore or they don't remove echo buff from coil or primals.

Also, real life Africa analogy? What the fuck?

[Menriq]

I know our group will be going for the title. After the 1st time of clearing it all, I doubt we would do it again though since there is no benefit. I'm ok with the reward just being a title, but I wouldn't expect groups that have been farming this for weeks now to now farm this new mode each week after clearing it once since there really is no benefit, unless they intend to sell the clears (if that's their thing).