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    kukurumei's Avatar
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    Mei Mei
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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    Are we playing the same game? Because, if you're talking about the same game that I'm playing, that is the most ignorant thing I've ever read.

    No, there is no fight in the game where DPS races are "you and your buddies must each hit this thingy 2 or 3 times to kill it!". Enemies actually have HP totals. Damage output is determined by raw stats. Everybody, including the tanks, contributes to these DPS races.

    You, like many other tanks, have no concept of damage output and the value it provides to your group. There are many DPS races in the game. Even if the DPS race quota can be met, there is still tremendous value in further increasing your DPS. Twintania and Titan EX, the two fights that you used in your examples, are fights that are often decided by sheer DPS output.

    Like I said many times before, HP gains are subject to diminishing returns. How much damage will a boss deal to you with its most bursty damage attack plus an auto-attack?

    Before SCoB, Twintania can deal a maximum of 9000 to a Warrior if he fails to Inner Beast or pop a cooldown, and the healers all fail to Virus, Eye for an Eye, Stoneskin or Adlo. This is a worst case scenario that should not happen with decent players who have any understanding of how Death Sentence works. 9.0k is the number. If I use cooldowns effectively, which I trust myself to do, the number becomes closer to 7k. In +30 Strength and full Strength Accessories, I have 10.5k HP (w/ echo). We've had this fight on farm status since I had 8k HP.
    elistst thinking that's ultimately proven wrong when they rage quit because people can't keep up or them or they can't keep up with peoples pace.

    9000 hit DS heh...riiighhht. perfect in an ideological world.


    All that str gives you is making healers life miserable. Wars are one of the more fragile tanks in this respect an you're asking them to even sheathe that with some str.

    Next time be l33t and go MRD....seriously you can hit upto 1600 damage, and tank! great deal!

    Even the almighty T8 is trounced by the appearance of a mnk team that killed it in 8minutes. Ya wars really help? just get a mnk.

    Vit is vit is vit. Every class would want to have more vit if possible, and the class that needs it the most you're saying don't do it? Next time you blame the healer for your death and group wipe, maybe it wasn't the healer who was 1 second late in lustre or 2 seconds late in cure2, maybe it was your pathetic HP pools that healers can't even multitask with.

    I guess it's great way to form statics for str wars. Scare off every healer that looks at you.
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    calm down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
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    Welp. I dunno what else to say.

    Your knowledge of Warrior, tanking and end-game is obviously far beyond mine.

    Maybe one day, when I figure out how to NOT be a burden to my healers and be less fragile, will I find a static that will help me clear Turn 5. Until then, I'll continue with my ragequitting ways and blame my healers for my deaths.

    Many thanks for sharing some of your boundless Warrior knowledge with little old me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
    Vit is vit is vit.
    Lol this guy has been trolling so hard.
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post
    All that str gives you is making healers life miserable. Wars are one of the more fragile tanks in this respect an you're asking them to even sheathe that with some str.
    I am a SCH to my static's STR WAR. I'm totally miserable.

    No, wait. I'm not. You're just a closed-minded idiot. Also lol at playing the "elitist" card. The clear thing is the healers you play with are too lazy to evolve with your tank.

    Every fight in this game is about "how much more damage can I deal without compromising raid efficiency?". On the basic level, this can be as simple as not running out of non-lethal AoE to continue melee DPS. Or more STR on a tank. Or healer DPS. If a fight was predictable enough for me to reliably do damage such that I am always ready to heal my tank back up from 1 HP, I would always do it. Because he's not dead yet.
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    Last edited by SeraviEdalborez; 05-23-2014 at 02:48 AM.

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