PLD feels underwhelming lately

[Raestloz]

Doesn't it really depend on the DPS though? If you're pulling everything, not stopping, and holding hate, it's not like there's anything else you can do, right? Or am I missing something? Granted I generally end up doing SRs just by chance in the DF pretty much every time, but I've definitely never had a full run go as fast as 5:30. Maybe I've just never gotten to run it with two high enough geared DPS or something.

It's more than that. If your DF party is composed of 2 Monks, you might want to wonder if you really want to start speedrunning by pulling everything. Bonus points if your healer is SCH instead of WHM

[Wizhard]

Best time as a PLD 5:15 /shrug dunno what you guys are talking about. I do feel that it mightve been even faster with a war but then again HG with whm throwing holys is nice as well.

[NoctisFair]

Meh, reading this forum makes me think many people posting here have no idea what they are talking about. PLD is definitely easier to play, but also has a lower skillfloor, so a good WAR will always be more useful than a good PLD. PLD beats WAR in fights where you take sustained dmg, in fights with burst dmg (eg Titan ex/T5/T9/...) WAR is king, because you can time your IB for every burst attack, while keeping your other CDs for oh-shit-moments.

Concerning speedruns, my best time as ilvl 101 WAR with bravura animus + mixed DPS jewelry (couple 110, rest 100) was about 4:50, WHM holy-ing aswell, you dont need any heal besides bene in the first pull, while you can self-sustain in the second one. I'm also pulling around 200-250DPS in speedruns, about 180 in T6, 240 in T9.

PLD will always outdo WAR while learning fights, but once you got the timers down, WAR reigns surpreme.

[Feylie]

PLD will always outdo WAR while learning fights, but once you got the timers down, WAR reigns surpreme.

I think you mean "PLD will always outdo WAR while learning fights, but once you learn the fights you have the WAR spec +30 STR and put on DPS accessories so you can kill it faster".

Fixt.

[NoctisFair]

pld will always be the true king. if you don't believe that, then maybe you need to cancel ya sub. name one thing that matters that people say "grab a war not a pld" nothing.

T5, titan ex, T6, T9.... every fight is easier with a good WAR than with a good PLD, it is just way harder to play a good WAR because it requires much more skill.

I think you mean "PLD will always outdo WAR while learning fights, but once you learn the fights you have the WAR spec +30 STR and put on DPS accessories so you can kill it faster".

Fixt.

Nope, I mean once you got the boss-rotation+timers for their hard-hitting skills (Death Sentence, Mountain Buster, Bloody Caress, Raven Blight) down, it is easy to time Inner Beast with them, so you have a flat 20% (+10% from storms path) damage reduction for every big hit, with other CDs on top if you want.

[Feylie]

Nope, I mean once you got the boss-rotation+timers for their hard-hitting skills (Death Sentence, Mountain Buster, Bloody Caress, Raven Blight) down, it is easy to time Inner Beast with them, so you have a flat 20% (+10% from storms path) damage reduction for every big hit, with other CDs on top if you want.

[LOLyYOUcryin]

pld will always be the true king. if you don't believe that, then maybe you need to cancel ya sub. name one thing that matters that people say "grab a war not a pld" nothing.

[Synestr]

Ten min full runs on any job is too much agreed. But as stated, out of my control as I am not the one dealing the dmg. I think they were set up DRG, BLM, WHM. At any rate it got done. I am curious to try war now...I like to dps too ^.^

[Zdenka]

The best set up is always WAR OT, and PLD MT. -28% static damage on a PLD MT with higher shield block/parry rates is basically the way to go for literally every fight.

I don't know why Kimura said OT PLD does more damage...? I'm sort of confused. My WAR does about 340 DPS while defiance is off, and I'm struggling to think of what a PLDs top end would be... 190-220? Again this is the reason the WAR OT's, the much much much higher DPS it can perform.

WAR does SUBSTANTIALLY more threat than PLD. It's basically a non-issue anyways but that 1,400 damage Butchers block at the start of a fight? Yeah, that's as much threat PLD does in about 10 GCD's, which is literally insane.

Hallowed Ground is good for things, so are all the rest of the cooldowns, but everything can be done without HG (including that final pull in WP even at ilvl80, someone mentioned it up a lot... I was like lol..?)

Also don't knock off Inner Beast, 700-1500 heal's are actually quite nice. If I am prepared for it I can tank Titan Hard Mode on WAR without getting a heal for nearly 4 minutes post-heart (before heart it auto attacks too much... Mountain buster is easier to deal with) I can do the same on PLD (double stoneskin Rock Breaker + Mountain Buster) but it runs out of MP after the 3rd or 4th one even spamming Riot Blade and it can't catch its own HP back up, so maybe only 2.5 minutes or so.

[Alphras]

MT PLD loses alot more dps than MT WAR. Thats why a PLD OT is the better choice if you want to maximize your raid damage.

Edit: And if both of your tanks are good it doesn't matter who is OT and who is MT. The healers wont see a difference (outside of encounters where something needs to be chain stunned or were you can exploit HG of course).