Common sense when positioning monsters

[TheTank]

Sometimes, common sense may not seem all too common.

[Lava3]

You all sound as if you have experience of these roles but have forgotten what it's like to be learning the ropes. As a'noob' with a tank role I've listened to the huffing and puffing during dungeon levels because I misjudged my role. Did you get your roles right first time or has it been a learning experience too? I've had one guy say if I don't know how to grab hate from a group I shouldn't have spec'd a tank. It sounds like something any of you here would say. If you want to be elitist put some kind of dumb entrance exam in your FC, take it seriously to the point of being anally retentive. Kill the joy. How about offering guidance to these people instead of talking like their actions are oh so tedious. Part of the challenge of these games is in learning how to get on with others. Sometimes you mmorpg vets need to get over yourselves and remember where you started. The FF world is full of mixed levels and abilities and most things, by the way, only become common sense with practise.

[Lava3]

My reply does not refer to anyone offering a solution in the thread

[MeiUshu]

You all sound as if you have experience of these roles but have forgotten what it's like to be learning the ropes. As a'noob' with a tank role I've listened to the huffing and puffing during dungeon levels because I misjudged my role. Did you get your roles right first time or has it been a learning experience too? I've had one guy say if I don't know how to grab hate from a group I shouldn't have spec'd a tank. It sounds like something any of you here would say. If you want to be elitist put some kind of dumb entrance exam in your FC, take it seriously to the point of being anally retentive. Kill the joy. How about offering guidance to these people instead of talking like their actions are oh so tedious. Part of the challenge of these games is in learning how to get on with others. Sometimes you mmorpg vets need to get over yourselves and remember where you started. The FF world is full of mixed levels and abilities and most things, by the way, only become common sense with practise.

There is a tank lvl 38ish that goes around I met him twice once in Qarn and once in that place where ants are (never know the name in english), we spend something like 40mn in the first boss, read that 40mn before me and BLM managed to kill that thing, why would you ask ?..the tank kept runing in circle hitting now and then the target never run to pad when affected by doom even if told, read that IN CIRCLE, meaning my dps output was seriously compromised and BLM was stealing hate from tank thus was runing like mad, we explained to him in turn what NOT TO do, even the DRG that started the dungeon with us did say it then left disgusted. You are asking people to give advice we did we sticked with him for a long long time, we said it over and over again but before the second boss and seen he was still doing the same, he was killing the heads before they were on platforms, so we stood there watching, we told him but nothing, ant one point, we had no choice but to kick him and I HATE DOING THAT. Was it a troll? maybe, although I dont know, we tried in various languages, nothing changed...you really think is always a lack of explanation? had it only attempted to change something in his waysor COMMUNICATE we would be standing behind him all the way...there was no answers, no words, on the contrary he was applauding me and BLM for doing HIS job...you really think there isnt anything to say ? Are all tank like that ? no... but whether you like it or not there are more and more like that, some dont know, and others plain dont care. we met this boss again with the ants, this time he left after the first two ants...he was runign in circles ..lol

I am a Monk, you hink I can hit runing targets ?

your anger is justified but only to a point.

Mei

[Ashkendor]

words were here

That sounds... horrifying. Kudos to you for sticking with it and trying to help.

It's funny, playing a DRG made me a lot more sensitive to fiddly positioning issues. I realize now that even the slightest movement can put your melee DPS off the flank/rear and make them a lot less effective.

[Dano]

these tanks dont play DPS classes/jobs and therefore have no idea DPSes require positioning to do damage.

[Noxifer]

these tanks dont play DPS classes/jobs and therefore have no idea DPSes require positioning to do damage.

You're right. Not having a class means you're a lot less aware of what that class requires to perform well. In my first dungeons (first runs and re-runs of the first four) I had really no clue about the positioning of things, other than to try to keep aoes away from the other people. Mostly I played with my friend who favours THM/BLM, and I had levelled up CNJ enough to get protect and raise, so I knew about the annoyance of interrupted castings. But usually I'd just run straight through the mob during cone aoes and then tank it from there. Sometimes I used strafe+forward to rotate the mob 90 degrees instead of 180. No one ever said anything to me about it, though, so I had no idea that I should do it any other way.

I think it was in a fate that I first saw someone else tank and noticed how they moved back to their original position after aoe execution, and thought that was a nifty way to avoid forcing mages to move. It wasn't until WAY later that I found out about the importance of positioning for melee dps classes. By that time, I was already used to keeping the mob relatively static. But I could have started doing that a lot earlier if just someone/anyone had pointed it out to me at the start ^^; Sadly, it seems many people think that the proper way to give advice is to yell "wtf are you doing" or similarly informative things when you manage to screw something up.

[Drtoxicmedica]

And this is why I firmly believe you should play at least dungeon level will one of each major class. Melee, ranged, healer, and tank.
Having started off as a DRG I always found it annoying when the mobs where moved all over the place. But after playing WAR ( which is now main) I realize that if a tank is new I should be a little bit more patient. Once your at brayflox tho all bets are off.