Common sense when positioning monsters

[Ashkendor]

The OP just found out the difference between a random dummy trying to get past the queue fast switching to tank job and a real tank knowing his job.

I wholeheartedly agree with you though.. Too few tanks out there who know their job.. And those who do usually dont queue random but take a premade instead with people they know.

Eh, I always queue random for daily (70 soldiery for doing one dungeon is too good to pass up). Even when I do other dungeons, it's usually with 1 or even two members of my FC, so we get at least one random. I get plenty of commendations, so either people are being REALLY generous or I'm doing a decent enough job. :3

You all sound as if you have experience of these roles but have forgotten what it's like to be learning the ropes. As a'noob' with a tank role I've listened to the huffing and puffing during dungeon levels because I misjudged my role. Did you get your roles right first time or has it been a learning experience too? I've had one guy say if I don't know how to grab hate from a group I shouldn't have spec'd a tank. It sounds like something any of you here would say. If you want to be elitist put some kind of dumb entrance exam in your FC, take it seriously to the point of being anally retentive. Kill the joy. How about offering guidance to these people instead of talking like their actions are oh so tedious. Part of the challenge of these games is in learning how to get on with others. Sometimes you mmorpg vets need to get over yourselves and remember where you started. The FF world is full of mixed levels and abilities and most things, by the way, only become common sense with practise.

When I talk about people obviously not knowing what they're doing, I'm talking about high levels that should know better than to leave a line or cone AOE casting mob aimed at their DPS and healer. I'm sorry, but by mid to high level you should have the basics of your class down. I can see your point if you're talking about something like Copperbell Mines. The whole point of those low level dungeons is to learn your role. When you have a tank that (for example) repeatedly leaves a Valefor with its ass end aimed at the DPS in CT though (Tail Drive one-shots most of them, so it should be pretty obvious after the first time that's something that you shouldn't do), obviously this is someone that either doesn't care to know their role or jumped in without having a clue.

[Viridiana]

When you have a tank that (for example) repeatedly leaves a Valefor with its ass end aimed at the DPS in CT though (Tail Drive one-shots most of them, so it should be pretty obvious after the first time that's something that you shouldn't do), obviously this is someone that either doesn't care to know their role or jumped in without having a clue.

Yeah, this is the one I wanted to post about. I mean, this is something that tanks should by all rights have been learning in AK, months before CT even came out. Instead, even now everyone points the tail into the most dangerous part every time. I eventually just gave up on teaching people (string of *really* bad tanks will do that), so now I just react to whatever the tank does and run with it.

[Classikal]

@ Lava, I will confess that this is actually the 1st MMORPG I have tanked in, I mainly played mage jobs in FFXI. But it doesn't take much awareness to see that certain PT members are visibly trying to stay on the opposite side of the mob from you, and if that area of the mob is perilous, it's your job to make it "un-perilous" so to speak. I read my tooltips every time I learn a new ability. And learned quickly on the way to 15 that keeping the combo pattern pulled much more hate than spamming one ability non-stop. Newb or not. Some things should really just come at you like a brick, "Is this really the best way to be doing this"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVVsDIv98TA

...says it all.

[Lava3]

I get what your saying Classical but sometimes the noob may also be to the mmo genre like I am sad as it is. It is a bit of awasted opportunity I think to have many tank quests end up being 1 on 1 battles where Flash is pointless to practice using since I already have hate. I use flash a lot but it's effectiveness is only really noticeable in a team dynamic where I'm expected to spam it. It doesn't help to be making mistakes when others are relying on you but at the same time I don't want to be googling every text and stat table. I used to for other FF games but stopped when it began to overshadow gameplay. I've actually deleted my tank and started again with a THM. I was put off continuing by the negativity. As per my original post the negativity when it comes possibly and probably will demotivate noobs to persevere. Constructive criticism is always better but not many know how to give it.

[Wadoka]

Um.. I don't know which of the other forums you all read, but as far as Tanks who leave Valefors in awful positions in CT... I've seen experienced Tanks post, they do that on purpose sometimes, trolling.

The horror... the horror...

[Ashkendor]

Yeah, this is the one I wanted to post about. I mean, this is something that tanks should by all rights have been learning in AK, months before CT even came out. Instead, even now everyone points the tail into the most dangerous part every time. I eventually just gave up on teaching people (string of *really* bad tanks will do that), so now I just react to whatever the tank does and run with it.

Yep. They're the same tanks that when you ask them to tank Bone Dragon facing North, they either ignore you or say: lol chill it doesn't matter. Sure, it doesn't matter until every person in the raid capable of silencing or stunning his ginormous, practically unescapable cone AoE manages to NOT do it all at the same time.

Honestly, these days even if I'm in B alliance I end up doing the crap that A and C should be doing (Valefors, always the Valefors, the demons in the next room too). I purposely volunteer to tank Iron Giants so trolls and chuckleheads can't mess it up. Sometimes they still manage (a tank off their tower fighting me for hate, what?).

Um.. I don't know which of the other forums you all read, but as far as Tanks who leave Valefors in awful positions in CT... I've seen experienced Tanks post, they do that on purpose sometimes, trolling.

The horror... the horror...

That's another thing I'll never understand. Why waste 23 other people's time with your stupidity?

Some people's kids...

[Viridiana]

Yep. They're the same tanks that when you ask them to tank Bone Dragon facing North, they either ignore you or say: lol chill it doesn't matter. Sure, it doesn't matter until every person in the raid capable of silencing or stunning his ginormous, practically unescapable cone AoE manages to NOT do it all at the same time.

Honestly, these days even if I'm in B alliance I end up doing the crap that A and C should be doing (Valefors, always the Valefors, the demons in the next room too). I purposely volunteer to tank Iron Giants so trolls and chuckleheads can't mess it up. Sometimes they still manage (a tank off their tower fighting me for hate, what?).

1) Wait, that's silenceable? Never knew. . .

2) King Behemoth is a whole other topic, in that I almost completely disagree with how everyone does that encounter. But, yeah, what you describe is /sigh-worthy.

[Ashkendor]

1) Wait, that's silenceable? Never knew. . .

2) King Behemoth is a whole other topic, in that I almost completely disagree with how everyone does that encounter. But, yeah, what you describe is /sigh-worthy.

I like when people tank KB on the west so I don't have to move the first IG but ehh, the vast majority of people are stuck on north so I roll with it. It's a lot easier than arguing with them, that's for sure. *shrugs*

[Viridiana]

I like when people tank KB on the west so I don't have to move the first IG but ehh, the vast majority of people are stuck on north so I roll with it. It's a lot easier than arguing with them, that's for sure. *shrugs*

I'd rather KB be tanked west, and have BRDs on the two closest towers. A BRD can man a tower while losing little in the way of dps, and increasing raid dps by whatever that tank can contribute. Plus, if IG tank dies, you could just have one of the two free tanks run over and pick it up.

But people think I'm crazy for trying to take a tower on BRD. >_>

[Lewena]

Of course, there are those players who don't care but I think it all depends on the person playing the tank. I mean if the player is new to MMO and choose to tank first, there is some chance that he doesn't understand the mechanics as well as another experienced player in MMO, even if that one did not ever tanked before. Especially if anybody did'nt tell him anything. I am leveling currently a WAR and the enimity mechanic is not clear at all from the quests: you are fighting alone or with an NPC that doesn't die (I am sure that the NPC can perform the quest alone XD). I understand what the quests are for but it is also because I already knew it. Also if this new tank is struggling to hold aggro, because he doesn't understand mechanics, I am not sure he is able to watch to other people in the party. In Aurum Vale, I had this tank who was facing the last boss towards the party (I don't remeber well but I think the healer was new also as he didn't move). We wiped. Then I just told him that it is a good habit to face the mobs away from the party, especially the healer. He did and we were doing fine. I think that he was a new player and nobody never told him anthing.

Also, most guides are focusing on stats, rotations and so forth. But it is hard (well I never saw one) to find one that talks about basic features such as positioning mobs, waiting to dps or whatever. They all assume that the player already knows the basics which is not really true. When you were learning maths, for instance, did you learn first to do addition or directly vector spaces?