mmorpg's review

[Molly_Millions]

Gifthorse is prolly one of the heavily close minded people who believe the only UI is the EQ style mouse clicking kind. Personally I hate having to click on everything with a mouse, it's obnoxious, but i think if they were gonna go with a Controller UI they should have done console release first.

Even still, I play with kb/mouse and have no issues with the UI, except for a small amount of lag and a few inefficiencies.

I work in the field of software QA, I could show you an unusable UI. FFXIV's UI isn't even close. When you click on something what you expect to happen does in fact happen. By definition, the UI is completely usable.

[Kiote]

Even still, I play with kb/mouse and have no issues with the UI, except for a small amount of lag and a few inefficiencies.

Me too..

I'm also starting to get pretty annoyed with people complaining that they have to open a Menu to access all their stuff..

BIND YOUR KEYS!@!

[Nilheim]

because at rank 5 you fight NMs, right? Or do class quests right? Or maybe fight with a whole plethora of attainable skills instead of just a few right? Even the story quest changes a lot at level 25.

Nice strawman argument, unfortunately it doesn't fly. Like all strawman arguments.

"Hey guys we have to give this new MMO a 10, they have 5 NMs and 3 quests per class, this is so AWESOME MY HEAD IS GONNA EXPLODE. And did I mention you get new skills when you level? INCREDIBLE!!!!!1one"

Are you fucking serious?

[Kallera]

"Hey guys we have to give this new MMO a 10, they have 5 NMs and 3 quests per class, this is so AWESOME MY HEAD IS GONNA EXPLODE. And did I mention you get new skills when you level? INCREDIBLE!!!!!1one"

Are you fucking serious?

You know damn well the game has far more content than that, you've played through it. You might have been cruising through with a lvl 50 class, far above any recommended level, but you did play through it, and really, being overleveled for any quest's a issue in any game.

It's a strawman, and you're invoking it on purpose.

[Abriael]

"Hey guys we have to give this new MMO a 10, they have 5 NMs and 3 quests per class, this is so AWESOME MY HEAD IS GONNA EXPLODE. And did I mention you get new skills when you level? INCREDIBLE!!!!!1one"

Are you fucking serious?

Are you mad that i called your strawman argument? I know, that's what normally happens when people with little discussion skills get called on their petty tricks

There are way more tha five NMs in the game. Three quests per class are actually a big chunk of gameplay considering that they're all pretty extensive (and include some very nice cutscenes, mind you), and all the seventeen classes are available on each character (sixteen actually given that bblacksmith and armorer have the same questline). That's 48 quests with full cutscenes there for you.

New skills when you level is a no brainer. You know, the gameplay tends to CHANGE when you have several tens of skills at your disposal from when you have only 3-4. Thus exposing your argument "same gameplay at level 5 and level 45!!!" as what it is, a strawman argument.

[Nilheim]

Do I now? Behest, guidleves, crafting, gathering, fighting, NMs, quests. There, that's everything in the game right now. You can't blame a reviewer for not giving the game a better score when that's all there is to it, especially when what content is currently in the game gets boring fast. Can any of you HONESTLY say FFXIV deserves more than 5.1? Come on people, open your eyes, the game is terrible at the moment.

As I said, they should've waited for 1.18 sure, but Abriael is saying the game deserves much better than 5.1 now, and that's just stupid. Yoshida himself said any MMO these days is supposed to have what 1.18 will bring at launch.

On the other hand, there's people that say MMORPG.com is evil and tries to sink the (already sunken) FFXIV ship. And if that's not a "nice strawman arguement" then fine, there's no point trying to argue with that kind of logic.

EDIT: And since you seem think the class quests are so cool, then my god you must be having a ball twiddling your thumbs. Seriously, all you have to do is run forever until you pop 3 mobs that you kill with 3 hits. If that's how quests should be in your perfect MMO then I don't even know what to say.

And are you really suggesting I'm the one with the least discussion "skills"? Last I checked I'm not the one who got banned of a forum for being an emo jackass who couldn't stand a reviewer criticizing his game.

[Abriael]

Do I now? Behest, guidleves, crafting, gathering, fighting, NMs, quests. There, that's everything in the game right now. You can't blame a reviewer for not giving the game a better score when that's all there is to it, especially when what content is currently in the game gets boring fast. Can any of you HONESTLY say FFXIV deserves more than 5.1? Come on people, open your eyes, the game is terrible at the moment.

As I said, they should've waited for 1.18 sure, but Abriael is saying the game deserves much better than 5.1 now, and that's just stupid. Yoshida himself said any MMO these days is supposed to have what 1.18 will bring at launch.

On the other hand, there's people that say MMORPG.com is evil and tries to sink the (already sunken) FFXIV ship. And if that's not a "nice strawman arguement" then fine, there's no point trying to argue with that kind of logic.

And after the strawman argument, since that didn't fly, let's move on to the misrepresentation of someone's argument because you're unable to counter it in it's original form and content. Man did you open the chest of petty forum tricks that don't fly?

The score matters little. What matters is that the review contents are an hyperbolic misrepresentation of the game in it's current state, and have been posted four days before becoming completely irrelevant and misleading.

Though i'm having a lot of fun seeing you bend over twice to defend it, using subjective definitions like "get boring fast!" as absolutes and defending a wannabe writer that doesn't even know that UI functionality pertains to gameplay and not to aesthetics.

because you know, if a brother hates on the game he must be defended! At all costs! Brothers haters unite! Because trolling the forums isn't enough!

What a rollercoaster of laughs.

EDIT: And since you seem think the class quests are so cool, then my god you must be having a ball twiddling your thumbs. Seriously, all you have to do is run forever until you pop 3 mobs that you kill with 3 hits. If that's how quests should be in your perfect MMO then I don't even know what to say.

What was the last game you tried in which solo quests were actually difficult? Quests are a narrative medium, and in that FFXIV's class quests are very nice.

And are you really suggesting I'm the one with the least discussion "skills"?

Considering that all you can do is pulling strawman arguments and misrepresenting your counterpart's arguments yes. I'm sorry to have to break this to you.

Last I checked I'm not the one who got banned of a forum for being an emo jackass who couldn't stand a reviewer criticizing his game.

I got banned because an overzaelous moderator did a knee jerk move to try and defend his poor site from valid and solid criticism.
But you must have missed the part in which the site's community manager promptly lifted the ban because it was not justified.

Oops.

[Naqaj]

Are you mad that i called your strawman argument? I know, that's what normally happens when people with little discussion skills get called on their petty tricks

Pot -> kettle

Please go on, this is better than TV.

[Kallera]

Pot -> kettle

Please go on, this is better than TV.

I don't see this, care to explain?

[Delsus]

This makes you sound like an angry child throwing a tantrum and insulting people because you don't agree with them. That doesn't make you right, and it certainly does a poor job showing you're the one who's not retarded.

The guy wrote a review, get over it already. He didn't insult you either, so be mature and don't insult him cause it really doesn't help your case.

Any reputable reviewer would think that theres the first major patch in the games history, so would hold it off for 4 days, there are only 2 logical reasons they chose to hold off a review until 4 days before the first major patch:

1. They didnt know the patch was coming out, which means they do not keep up with the information SE gives us, which is enforced by them saying confirmed changes are rumours.

2. They want to give FFXIV a final kick before 1.18, which is backed up buy the obiviously biased view that doesnt mention sidequests, NMs, behest changes etc, that review is exactly what I saw at release, yes there hasnt been many changes but there have been and they should have been mentioned.

This review is badly timed, misses out potentialy positive changes and the reviewer thinks official information are just rumours, it is full of things like this.

By all means if you think the game is crap say its crap, as long as its at a decent time by which I mean between MINOR patches or after a major patch, not less than 1 week before a major patch we have known when this patch is coming out for about 2 weeks which is plenty of time to stop a review going on the website.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that the words "battle reform" mean there will be big changes coming, whether its for better or worse doesnt matter at all, changes are changes and I can guarentee that the game will be completly differant when the reforms are done.

This review will be obsolete in 3 days now, and if its not re-reviewed after 1.18 or at the latest 1.19, the have absolutly 0 credability because of them wanting to review it 4 days before a patch that will be game changing, and that could improve it