Why is jumping always associated with WoW?

[Raze]

This is the most off topic thing I have and ever will hopefully say, and I apologize.

I think I heard the rapper dude in the video driving the car wrote it but I could be wrong.

Sorry.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

You guys have to remember Yoshi-P played those MMO's like other person was saying and enjoyed them. He will probably implement it first before he thinks about changing it. Also he has yet to fully say how it will be implemented and there might be some type of global cool down for it. So as I said before let the SE implement it and stop the daggon moaning and groaning already until you see how it works. Then flame on if you don't like it after it is implemented.

[Jaide]

No In FFXIV you just can't hop down a simple ledge. Same difference.

I'm going to laugh if they add jump but leave invisible walls on these high cliffs and ledges so we still can't drop down them. We can already drop down and climb up medium ledges now without a jump button. If we can jump of major cliffs will they have to implement falling damage? Really I haven't felt the need to jump at all since that the last pathing updates to the environment were made

[Dargoth_Draconia]

One important thing to remember though is they said they are going to rework all the zones in the game down the road. Some are going to drastically change while some will only receive smaller amount of work. At first those invisible walls might still be there but when they rework the areas they may remove those walls and boundaries to a certain extent. Meaning they may make you be able to get up and down cliffs and ledges that are higher but not ones that are too high so they do not need to add a fall damage. As I have said before though we don't know how they plan on implementing the jump yet.

[odette]

the real ffxiv killers are FFXI fan boys
people this game need more people for survive, if they implement jump is for mmo modern standart, you know WoW is not only game that youc an jump, every modern mmo you can jump, climb and swin
really i wanna SE implement swin, you can explore more things in the map

[nibelunc]

A real Zelda never had a jump button.
A real Final Fantasy never had a jump button.

Yoshi is a WoW fan and wants to turn FFXIV into a succesfull MMORPG. So he copies what he needs.
Maybe he doesn't know that this is a mistake. WoW players will like the jump function - but they leave in no time.

I'm okay if this jump function is about a half meter high. But the developers are asian, so the jumps will be 10 meters.

really i wanna SE implement swin, you can explore more things in the map

If you mean swim, where in the world are you going to swim? If you really are hoping to get something like this then you better wait for another MMORPG. People are not going to wait 10 more years they need to redesign the game for (jumping), climbing and swimming.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

A real Zelda never had a jump button.
A real Final Fantasy never had a jump button.

Yoshi is a WoW fan and wants to turn FFXIV into a succesfull MMORPG. So he copies what he needs.
Maybe he doesn't know that this is a mistake. WoW players will like the jump function - but they leave in no time.

I'm okay if this jump function is about a half meter high. But the developers are asian, so the jumps will be 10 meters.



If you mean swim, where in the world are you going to swim? If you really are hoping to get something like this then you better wait for another MMORPG. People are not going to wait 10 more years they need to redesign the game for (jumping), climbing and swimming.

They let Tanaka have the game first and he failed us Final Fantasy fans and I was thinking he was going to bring the best MMO experience ever and he fail way short. Yoshi is stepping up and making decisions that he believe will make this MMO be great and things he and his team would personally like to see in the game. Because other FF games didn't have a jump button doesn't mean this one should because those were old school single player RPG's and a jump button wasn't needed. FFXIV is a lot more action oriented and wouldn't be harmed in any possible way by adding a jump button and in fact would make more people happy because it is an extra option that adds a realistic feel and a never before seen in a Final Fantasy title which will add to the immersion for some people. You say they have to redesign the game for jumping, swimming, and climbing and you are wrong about that. They are already whether you like it or not adding jump and it should be in one of the upcoming patches after 1.18 and it doesn't take overly long or too many resources for them to program this into the game. I do doubt we will ever see swimming and climbing but you never know it may be possible when they redesign zones and if they decide to implement such things as this.

Also to say Yoshi is a WoW fan isn't completely true, he played WoW, DoAC and other games and is a fan of westernized RPGs and they just so happen to be the best sellers and the most appealing to the people in the States. Currently I am a fan of Yoshi-P because he is doing what he believe will make this game thrive by adding the common denominator in that is seen in most if not all current MMOs. Sure some fans will complain because that is all they know how to do, but I who happens be an avid FF fan, RPG fan, and MMO fan of all types, I agree with what Yoshi is bringing to the table. To you though that doesn't matter because no matter what we say or Yoshi says all you see that he said he played WoW and that is honestly what your argument is against. You don't like the fact that this game is going to be changed to be like any other game or have added features that is standard in WoW or other MMOs out there.

[nibelunc]

FFXIV is a lot more action oriented

That's not true. FFXIV is not 'a lot more' action oriented and thats good.

It's not a secret that he's trying to copy some 'succesful' features from other MMO's. And the game definitly needs to be redesigned if they want to add swimming and climbing.

As I said, i'm fine with half meter high jumps with a cooldown or something. Thats okay and realistic. If they add big jumps and change the game physics that will change the entire game feeling, so many players will be unhappy with those changes.

WoW standard and FF standard is something very different. I hate WoW because it's not the type of game i like. I have a reason to play FFXIV and not because it's something new and has shiny graphics. They should implement content and story instead of waste their time with copying terrible 'standard MMO' things

[Cendres]

I'm going to laugh if they add jump but leave invisible walls on these high cliffs and ledges so we still can't drop down them. We can already drop down and climb up medium ledges now without a jump button. If we can jump of major cliffs will they have to implement falling damage? Really I haven't felt the need to jump at all since that the last pathing updates to the environment were made

I really have to frap this, but no actually there's still a ton of low to medium ledges you have to go around, in the Limsa Lominsa area it's absolutely horrible. I am telling you the last pathing update did not fix most of these things, some of the low ledges are okay now, but it wasn't enough of a fix.

Of course you shouldn't be able to jump off cliffs and not die at the least. Let's not get ridiculous. Though my guess is they would be an invisible wall at those areas, like the water walls on the beaches.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

That's not true. FFXIV is not 'a lot more' action oriented and thats good.

It's not a secret that he's trying to copy some 'succesful' features from other MMO's. And the game definitly needs to be redesigned if they want to add swimming and climbing.

As I said, i'm fine with half meter high jumps with a cooldown or something. Thats okay and realistic. If they add big jumps and change the game physics that will change the entire game feeling, so many players will be unhappy with those changes.

WoW standard and FF standard is something very different. I hate WoW because it's not the type of game i like. I have a reason to play FFXIV and not because it's something new and has shiny graphics. They should implement content and story instead of waste their time with copying terrible 'standard MMO' things

FFXIV "IS" more action oriented. The flow of combat the mechanics of being able to actually dodge several enemies special attacks by moving behind them or away from them make it more action oriented. The fighting in the game even in its current state where you have to press to attack almost gives the feeling of an action RPG. Even when they bring auto attack in it will follow more closely to the WoW style of fighting. Auto attacks are separate you have cool downs and mana/tp costs for using abilities in which you can stream together into a string of attacks.

I am not calling this an action game but I am saying it is more action oriented than its sister MMO FFXI and in general when compared to some other MMOs. You never stop hitting buttons when attacking or when you are in battle unless you are letting your agro drop or getting MP or something.