SE Stop Using FATES for everything in FFXI Realm Reborn!

[Tiraelina]

FATE's are just the blandest type of content you could have in a game. They don't have any variability in how well you can do them, you either finish it or you don't. You can't ever be better at them. Even RIFT had bonus stages if you were doing well. Not to mention majority of them just turn into an AOE spam zergfest with even a small number of players.

[Luxx]

Easter didn't require FATEs to finish the questline. It was an EXTRA, OPTIONAL part of the event which involved FATEs.

Shantotto and Dragon are not seasonal events.

I already said Christmas and Summer.

Yeah let's bother with semantics. It doesn't matter if they were seasonal or not, they still used FATE's.
Don't forget.

11). You need to do FATE's in order to unlock CT - Crystal Tower.

Funny thing is: When I logged on the 1st day of 2.1, I asked how to unlock CT. They said by FATE's.
First and last time I had logged into the game of 2.1 until March lol. I dunno what it is.
Lack of creativity or just lazy to get some new ideas. .__.; It's ridiculous.
In 2.0 they made FATE's something you basically HAD to do, in order to level, the dungeons runs were too low EXP and the
time waits for DPS were much worse than are now.
Now in 2.1 they ranked up the EXP so it's much easier to level now. I'm working on multiple classes now
that I didn't want to bother with until I can do a much better alternative but didn't take forever.
Leves and dungeons are really good now.

Now, what they can do with seasonal or any general event is give us an event based dungeon that's new and stuff
just made for the events!
IE. Lightning Event. Did not bother with this either BUT they could of gave us dungeons somewhat based on that Lightning dungeon things
in her games. She could also accompany us as an NPC DPS and light healer or light tank or something and we could heal her and stuff.
^^ That would of been great! But no, settle for less with lazy FATE's.
None of this FATE BS, none of this walk and talk report to NPC's crap.

[Lithera]

Funny thing is: When I logged on the 1st day of 2.1, I asked how to unlock CT. They said by FATE's.
First and last time I had logged into the game until March lol. I dunno what it is.
Lack of creativity or just lazy to get some new ideas. .__.;

I'll reiterate my point...remove the word FATE and the CT unlock quests aren't anything different from similar dungeon unlock quests in other MMOs. What would you have done if the person had said to unlock CT you had to kill X NM in Natalan etc. instead of saying FATEs? The issue wasn't that they were FATEs but that they were on a terrible timer. Take away the timers and the CT unlock would have been quick and easy. In something like FFXI that quest would have been popped NMs from a ??? most likely that would have resulted in huge lines like when the NPC Fellow was first added to the game instead of a quick kill that gets everyone in range the kill count at the same time.

[Amberion]

most likely that would have resulted in huge lines like when the NPC Fellow

Doubt it, people ain't got time for that now days. They would all stand by the spawn and spam it to try and be the next one.

And well, that is also one of the problems with FATES, it's a spam fest.

[Nekodar]

In 2.0 they made FATE's something you basically HAD to do, in order to level, the dungeons runs were too low EXP and the
time waits for DPS were much worse than are now.

It was absolutely not necessary to do FATE's in 2.0 to level.
Doing quests, leves, guildhest and main story provided enough exp for all but the very last levels, which you could easily get by running a few dungeons.
While DF wait times were bad, you could still group up with others to enter dungeons.

[Lithera]

Actually I can remember in FFXIV beta 3 when the battlefield for the Main Story mission in Thanalan was bugged and would only let one person in at a time. People lined up up the hill for that lol Though yes there were a few that tried to spam the entry point. Also I need to correct myself. The way FFXIV works you can spawn multiples of quest monsters so that Natalan FATE would have become a huge pile of people each spawning that Ixtal and it would have looked very much like a FATE. Could it have pulled you into an instance to fight the Ixtal? Yes. The problem there is you wind up in a situation like some of the mission instances back near launch where you had to wait because the instance count was maxed out.

[Felis]

Easter did use FATES. If you wanted enough of the silver eggs(or whatever color they were) to get a gold egg(which had the better rewards) you had to go out and find mobs that, if you got lucky, spawned the easter event FATE.

They were optional and very rare.
I got my golden egg with the classic camping (outside of FATEs). Once you have the times from 2 or 3 spawnpoints it was easy.

[BobbinT]

1.) Leveling up in this game you do FATES until you can do Dungeon.
2.) Every Events you released is FATES related.
3.) Every Seasonal Event you released is FATES related.
4.) New Relic Quest is heavily FATES related.
5.) Your Book required FATES.
6.) You make us kill mob in book that required to spawn in a FATES.
7.) You released Venture Adventure, but to level them up you need to do FATES to earn seals to buy Venture Coins.
8.) We leveling up our Chocobo through FATES since we can't carry them to Dungeon.
9.) We grind FATES to earn Seal
10.) We grind FATES to level up our Company and earn company seals.

err.. I don't know about you, but the only thing I despise regarding FATE is that mindlessly numbing atma hunting. Other than that, I don't really do alot of FATEs to do stuff. An to answer by points, same chronological:

1. You do realize there are other ways to lvl up, don't you. There's leves, and some new players didn't realize this, but, in 1.0 there are techniques called leve links. It's basically having a party, can be small, and have them activates same leve titles. The xp & gil reward will multiply along with how many same leve titles are activated by other party members.
2. Those are kinda really few events that heavily relies on FATEs in overall.
3. Same with seasonal events too.
4. This I agree, atma hunting are pain in the ass.
5. There's only 3 FATEs per book, nothing to it.
6. Don't understand this one, mob that spawn from FATEs? If you're talking about atma books, I haven't seen them so far. I myself already 6/9 books.
7. lol... You do realize there's many ways to earn venture coins real quick. Doing dungeons and loot those useless gears, then you can cash some GC seals to buy coins. Beast tribe dailies also rewards you some coins. Treasure hunts can even give you a whooping 30 coins. So... why do I have to do FATEs again?
8. err... I think you can just kill regular mobs to level your chocobos. Can do that while spiritbonding for example. I usually spent hours in Natalan raiding Ixal's to SB with choco on my side.
9. already explained this in point no. 7. Just to clarify, any gears/weps with green/purple background will guarantee you some seal exchanges. And players nowadays spammed dungeons alot. BTW, if you have some DoH/DoL classes, supply & provision quest will nets you seals really quick, especially if you turn in HQ stuff. You can even spam lvl 45+ crafted gears and trade em for seals too, especially those with green background.
10. really? lol

In the end, I don't see any part that requires me to do alot of FATEs, do you? lol

[Alenore]

1.) Leveling up in this game you do FATES until you can do Dungeon.

I actually quested until I could do dungeons. Or kill mob/use hunting log, and use levequests.

2.) Every Events you released is FATES related.

Little Ladies didn't require a FATE, for instance.

3.) Every Seasonal Event you released is FATES related.

Same as before

4.) New Relic Quest is heavily FATES related.

You don't HAVE to get relic if you don't like how to obtain it.

5.) Your Book required FATES.

Same as 4. Books are relic.

6.) You make us kill mob in book that required to spawn in a FATES.

Same as 4. Also, this is wrong : give me one single example of FATE-only monster you need for a book (outside of the FATE tab >.>).

7.) You released Venture Adventure, but to level them up you need to do FATES to earn seals to buy Venture Coins.

There's other ways to get seals : provisioning, supply, GC levequests.

8.) We leveling up our Chocobo through FATES since we can't carry them to Dungeon.

farming monsters works too.

9.) We grind FATES to earn Seal

Same as 7. Again, you don't have to.

10.) We grind FATES to level up our Company and earn company seals.

You don't have to either. There's other content than FATES.


You're welcome.

[Lillia]

Edit: Basically I agree with the above poster except I'm going to add that GC gear turn-ins also give FC exp to level your FC.