SE Stop Using FATES for everything in FFXI Realm Reborn!

[Lithera]

Actually I can remember in FFXIV beta 3 when the battlefield for the Main Story mission in Thanalan was bugged and would only let one person in at a time. People lined up up the hill for that lol Though yes there were a few that tried to spam the entry point. Also I need to correct myself. The way FFXIV works you can spawn multiples of quest monsters so that Natalan FATE would have become a huge pile of people each spawning that Ixtal and it would have looked very much like a FATE. Could it have pulled you into an instance to fight the Ixtal? Yes. The problem there is you wind up in a situation like some of the mission instances back near launch where you had to wait because the instance count was maxed out.

[BobbinT]

1.) Leveling up in this game you do FATES until you can do Dungeon.
2.) Every Events you released is FATES related.
3.) Every Seasonal Event you released is FATES related.
4.) New Relic Quest is heavily FATES related.
5.) Your Book required FATES.
6.) You make us kill mob in book that required to spawn in a FATES.
7.) You released Venture Adventure, but to level them up you need to do FATES to earn seals to buy Venture Coins.
8.) We leveling up our Chocobo through FATES since we can't carry them to Dungeon.
9.) We grind FATES to earn Seal
10.) We grind FATES to level up our Company and earn company seals.

err.. I don't know about you, but the only thing I despise regarding FATE is that mindlessly numbing atma hunting. Other than that, I don't really do alot of FATEs to do stuff. An to answer by points, same chronological:

1. You do realize there are other ways to lvl up, don't you. There's leves, and some new players didn't realize this, but, in 1.0 there are techniques called leve links. It's basically having a party, can be small, and have them activates same leve titles. The xp & gil reward will multiply along with how many same leve titles are activated by other party members.
2. Those are kinda really few events that heavily relies on FATEs in overall.
3. Same with seasonal events too.
4. This I agree, atma hunting are pain in the ass.
5. There's only 3 FATEs per book, nothing to it.
6. Don't understand this one, mob that spawn from FATEs? If you're talking about atma books, I haven't seen them so far. I myself already 6/9 books.
7. lol... You do realize there's many ways to earn venture coins real quick. Doing dungeons and loot those useless gears, then you can cash some GC seals to buy coins. Beast tribe dailies also rewards you some coins. Treasure hunts can even give you a whooping 30 coins. So... why do I have to do FATEs again?
8. err... I think you can just kill regular mobs to level your chocobos. Can do that while spiritbonding for example. I usually spent hours in Natalan raiding Ixal's to SB with choco on my side.
9. already explained this in point no. 7. Just to clarify, any gears/weps with green/purple background will guarantee you some seal exchanges. And players nowadays spammed dungeons alot. BTW, if you have some DoH/DoL classes, supply & provision quest will nets you seals really quick, especially if you turn in HQ stuff. You can even spam lvl 45+ crafted gears and trade em for seals too, especially those with green background.
10. really? lol

In the end, I don't see any part that requires me to do alot of FATEs, do you? lol

[Alenore]

1.) Leveling up in this game you do FATES until you can do Dungeon.

I actually quested until I could do dungeons. Or kill mob/use hunting log, and use levequests.

2.) Every Events you released is FATES related.

Little Ladies didn't require a FATE, for instance.

3.) Every Seasonal Event you released is FATES related.

Same as before

4.) New Relic Quest is heavily FATES related.

You don't HAVE to get relic if you don't like how to obtain it.

5.) Your Book required FATES.

Same as 4. Books are relic.

6.) You make us kill mob in book that required to spawn in a FATES.

Same as 4. Also, this is wrong : give me one single example of FATE-only monster you need for a book (outside of the FATE tab >.>).

7.) You released Venture Adventure, but to level them up you need to do FATES to earn seals to buy Venture Coins.

There's other ways to get seals : provisioning, supply, GC levequests.

8.) We leveling up our Chocobo through FATES since we can't carry them to Dungeon.

farming monsters works too.

9.) We grind FATES to earn Seal

Same as 7. Again, you don't have to.

10.) We grind FATES to level up our Company and earn company seals.

You don't have to either. There's other content than FATES.


You're welcome.

[Lillia]

Edit: Basically I agree with the above poster except I'm going to add that GC gear turn-ins also give FC exp to level your FC.

[kimoi]

1. No, there are enough quests and levequests that you don't have to do FATEs to unlock the dungeons.
3. Easter and Girls Day required no FATEs.
7. You can get ventures from daily quests and levequests. I don't do FATEs and I have dozens of ventures. I get too many seals from provisioning and supply missions.
8. Leveling chocobos through FATEs is purely your decision. I've never done this, and it gets leveled quite fine.
9. I get too many seals from provisioning and supply missions.

You had very few points and most of them are repetitive.

In other words, this another Atma complaint thread because that's probably the only one that can't be avoided.

[Zaiken]

1. No, there are enough quests and levequests that you don't have to do FATEs to unlock the dungeons.
3. Easter and Girls Day required no FATEs.
7. You can get ventures from daily quests and levequests. I don't do FATEs and I have dozens of ventures. I get too many seals from provisioning and supply missions.
8. Leveling chocobos through FATEs is purely your decision. I've never done this, and it gets leveled quite fine.
9. I get too many seals from provisioning and supply missions.

You had very few points and most of them are repetitive.

In other words, this another Atma complaint thread because that's probably the only one that can't be avoided.

Hey I know a lot of people counter my point by saying there are alternative, I already know there are alternative to FATES for those I listed. They are not force, but you can't deny they are in the Games and it is less effected if you don't do FATES.

Like for example Quest and Main Story Quest is only one time, they will run out, Chocobo are hard to level without Fates. Provision Quest? You need to trade in Pink Items which not always be available and will run out. Same go with Hunting Log, they are one time only. Lev Quest? Give less exp and take longer then FATES. There is very fews Events that don't used FATES, that is good but there is also too many that does. I just want to make a point that SE is re-using everything based on FATES. I won't be surprised the next patch or quest or will be FATES related again.

Again, I have my Animus Weapon already so don't know what you talking about another ATMA complains Thread.

[Felis]

Chocobo are hard to level without Fates.

No, they are hard to level with FATE.
The best way to level a Chocobo is killing non-stop enemies some levels above you (or at your level if you are level 50). You can't kill enemies non-stop with FATEs. Also the chocobo only get the exp from the enemies you claimed or did at least 30% dmg before it died (so it count as kill sharing). The chocobo don't get exp from the FATE reward.

[Anapingofness]

eh... I'm ok with Fates.
There is enough variety in them to keep them fresh.
You have escort Fates, NM fates, defending Fates (where you have to keep crates from being kiled), gathering items (like the cactus one in Thanalan), etc.

Then again, I never did do fate grinding for exp or for atma. At best, I would do a passing fate for bonus exp or for atma, I would do 10 fates in a zone then move on.

As far as the points the OP was trying to make. a lot of those have a different option to completing them.
Case in point- earning ventures.

[Danbo05]

I'm fine with FATES, they're a good alternative to leveling DPS classes. Leves gives you shit exp. And dungeon ques takes forever.

No, they are hard to level with FATE.
The best way to level a Chocobo is killing non-stop enemies some levels above you (or at your level if you are level 50). You can't kill enemies non-stop with FATEs. Also the chocobo only get the exp from the enemies you claimed or did at least 30% dmg before it died (so it count as kill sharing). The chocobo don't get exp from the FATE reward.

And chocobos are hard to level, PERIOD.

[Felis]

And chocobos are hard to level, PERIOD.

Thanks to the challenge log it is now easier (first time a Chocobo can get exp rewards from something)