As a Paladin: Speedrunning and Enmity

[Souljacker]

I thought this was done purposely to add disparity between the two tanking options so both are viable in end-game? (Could be totally wrong here...)

I thought WAR was supposed to be superior in group agro and PLD was superior in single-target agro?

Tanks should be interchangeable with the only differences being abilities and playstyle - but one should absolutely never be better than another at single target versus multiple target tanking. I don't see how they would even make that possible, since the tank that is good at multiple target threat won't be any worse at single target threat... but the single target tank will have a LOT of trouble when leveling, gearing, etc. when they are the only tank in the party.

People who play tanks should learn to play them well and with skill, but SE could facilitate the process a little better by making both tank classes a little more equal. It *does* seem like warriors have a much easier time of it than paladins with multiple targets.

[Remn]

BB combo has more potency than RoH therefore, Create more Hate. the only thing that RoH has over BB is the Str debuff.

[SavageWolf]

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Yeah, I agree that they should be just a little bit more equal. I generally have been queuing up as my WAR just because I have a much easier time during a speedrun than I do on my Paladin. I guess it really DOES just boil down to WAR vs PLD AoE agro... I hope that there are a couple of tiny changes in the future for the people who love playing as BOTH tanks.

[SarcasmMisser]

Pld should have no trouble holding aoe threat, weave some of your more useless CDs between the flashes as they also generate a tiny amount of threat. The biggest reason why you lose 1 or 2 mobs is that a flash missed it, be careful with your kiting. War having more threat is besides the point, because if you hit every mob with flash you should never lose threat anyway. Use ethers, use riot blade, use hallowed so you can stay close and hit every mob. Try not to waste flash too much during pull, keep close to full mp until they're all grouped and drain the bar

[Zumi]

Speed running on pld is basically about spaming flash until you run out of mp with circle of scorn thrown in there, riot blade combo to get mp back if mobs aren't dead but they should be by the time mp is out, assuming you are doing double blm and whm.

[SavageWolf]

Speed running on pld is basically about spaming flash until you run out of mp with circle of scorn thrown in there, riot blade combo to get mp back if mobs aren't dead but they should be by the time mp is out, assuming you are doing double blm and whm.

So Riot Blade combo should be used, and Halone ignored completely on big group pulls?

[Moirear]

I don't use the RoH combo on the big pulls, and it works better than if I did. It's Flash spam and Riot Blade combo with the Circle of Scorn whenever I can, while rotating cooldowns to mitigate damage parallel to that.

And you're not missing anything, that's just how it is. By comparison, holding hate and mitigating damage can be (doesn't have to be, but can be) trickier on WAR, since against the big boss type single targets, you have to weave in Storm's combos to keep the damage debuff up on the boss, which generates no enmity. By comparison, the PLD has it much easier with the RoH combo being a debuff and enmity generator in one.

[InquisitorSaucely]

What has already been stated a couple times: Spam flash with CDs & Circle of Scorn (when it's up, of course), then when you run out of MP, use your Riot Blade combo to get enough MP back for one flash at a time. There may still be times when you'll lose enmity on one or two mobs for a second depending on what you have targeted for your auto-attacks and MP combo. I generally tab through mobs for Fast Blade and Riot Blade so I'm keeping enmity as evenly distributed as possible.

[chocomaid]

So Riot Blade combo should be used, and Halone ignored completely on big group pulls?

Pretty much, imagine you having 10 adds, it would take 30 global cooldowns to hit them all with Halone O_O.

Spam Flash, Circle of Scorn when it's up, Spirits Within when it's up. Regen MP with Riot combo.

[DoubleT]

i have no trouble holding large groups of mobs on sr's an all i do is spam flash after every couple of aoe's an keep my buffs alternating for mitigation