Mythos Farming Are Toxic

[Akujin]

Why would you report them? Is leaving a duty (With penalty) against the terms of service?

Leaving abruptly, without any forewarning such as "I have an emergency, have to leave", could be seen as a form of harassment to other players. It's a type of griefing. SE aren't full of idiots, they know that Brayflox is notoriously known now for the Speed Run potential it has and if someone leaves after the second boss of a Brayflox HM, that's a flag. Now, they may not do anything, but if it becomes a consistent occurrence, then that would be worth looking into and dealing with the player for interfering with other player's attempting to complete a duty as intended.

[PROBOUND]

So the short answer is NO? It is not against the terms of service to exit a dungeon (with penalty)? Wheather we see it as any form of griefing, it is not against TOS. SE has mentioned that they cant do anything about this due to the fact that they "Dont have to complete" the dungeon.

Reporting someone for exiting a dungeon would seem to be more so against the TOS imo. I peronally think thats toxic. If someone is paying for a sub what gives anyone the right to report them for simply "playing the videogame". You cant force someone to play the game how you want them to.

DF is a risk imo. If you enter, its at your own risk. If it takes 1 hour to complete the dungeon vs. never completing it all, this is a concious decision that we have made. This is what FC's/Friends/LS's are for. People that you can rely/count on.

[Merle]

Leaving abruptly, without any forewarning such as "I have an emergency, have to leave", could be seen as a form of harassment to other players. It's a type of griefing. SE aren't full of idiots, they know that Brayflox is notoriously known now for the Speed Run potential it has and if someone leaves after the second boss of a Brayflox HM, that's a flag..

You're not stupid, i'm not stupid, we all know is not a "coincidence" that someone leaves right after the 2nd boss (or after any boss from CT), however.. how could you prove it?

- I'm an idiot, i kill the second boss and leave---> people make a report and a GM talks to me -----> "yep, sorry. I said anything because my mother had a huge stomach-ache and i had to take care of her".

I know you can prove it, but is like turning off your modem to get a "connection lost". They can't do so much for it and that 30 minutes penalty is their punishment for this kind of behaviour...

You cant force someone to play the game how you want them to.

However, people will argue:

- I like to do SR, those guys are making me play slower... Not the way i want to play.
- I like to do normal runs, those guys are doing SR. Not the way i want to play

[Akujin]

snip (hate the post limits).

Which is why I mentioned if it becomes a habitual occurrence. If you do something, the same thing, over and over again, how many times would an excuse work until eventually the punishment is dealt? Not many, I would think.

It happens with work, I've been in management for a long time, it goes the same way. If an employee calls into work saying they're sick, or they have to take someone to the doctor, family, pet, etc. Fine, if it's just a random thing that has never happened before, myself and other companies I've worked for have let it go.

Now, let's say that same person makes a habit of calling in, once-twice every few weeks, typically on a consistent basis around a certain day (like Friday), or right after pay day. Then that becomes a behavior issue and that turns into discipline, often times resulting in termination for failure to do their part, which is show up for work.

So, with that mind frame. If someone consistently "disconnects" or "has to go for their ill mother" after the second boss of Brayflox, often, then that person is lying. Or, simply has really, really bad luck. Either way, it should be dealt with the same way. It may frustrate and anger that person, they may infact decide to leave the game entirely, either feeling that they were unfairly punished, or, that they cant get away with their behavior any longer. It's a fifty fifty, but the deciding factor is, consistency.

[PROBOUND]

However, people will argue:

- I like to do SR, those guys are making me play slower... Not the way i want to play.
- I like to do normal runs, those guys are doing SR. Not the way i want to play

Once again this also applies here:

This is what FC's/Friends/LS's are for. People that you can rely/count on.

[PROBOUND]

Now, let's say that same person makes a habit of calling in, once-twice every few weeks, typically on a consistent basis around a certain day (like Friday), or right after pay day. Then that becomes a behavior issue and that turns into discipline, often times resulting in termination for failure to do their part, which is show up for work.

So, with that mind frame. If someone consistently "disconnects" or "has to go for their ill mother" after the second boss of Brayflox, often, then that person is lying. Or, simply has really, really bad luck. Either way, it should be dealt with the same way.

The difference here is you dont pay your employer to work for them, they pay u! lol ! This is a videogame which we pay for as a service. Not a very good example but i get where you are coming from. All in all, this is not the workplace. Its a digital fantasy world, a videogame. People need to treat it as such.

[Akujin]

snippty snip.

No, you're absolutely correct. It's not, in any definition within the ToS, against their rules to leave abruptly. It could still be considered griefing, because by abandoning you're interfering with other people's ability to complete the dungeon. Which is why I bring up consistency, if that person in question shows a pattern of joining DF and leaving after a certain point, often, then that's one thing. If that person is simply leaving one out of every two hundred runs over the span of several weeks, then it's too random to be considered anything but happenstance.

You're right, you pay for the game, but so do the people who are also in that instance, who are also entitled the same fairness to complete a dungeon for the myth/sold tomes as anyone else who joined the run is. So while the immediate moment may not result in anything, by reporting that particular player for that type of thing, it could prevent them from doing it future players further down the road, ensuring that sort of behavior does not interfere with other players goals and ambitions.

Which again, returns me to why Party Finder was created in the first place. It exists for people who have specific goals in mind and only want those goals, such as SR'ing Brayflox, leaving after the second boss. I've ran hundreds, I've created just as many. It's there for a reason, it should be used.

[TomTom1968]

What I don't like about the tanks and healers trying to get the best for them not caring for the rest of the party is that they know exaxtly what they do and that it is wrong. But they choose to remain silent, play nicely along till 2nd boss and boom they are silently gone leaving the rest behind who maybe need Strat tomes or can't receive their Roulette bonus anymore.

They know what they will do from the beginning and know why they don't inform anybody. That's foul and coward gaming and nothing else. I do not need a TOS to realize that. It is called inappropriate behavior. You can't expect that people are cool with not finishing a dungeon. People need strat, want Roulette bonus, need completion for ATMA. You can make premade parties in Group finder for such special runs.

Doing it through DF is just egoistic and it is abusing the system. Again, no need a TOS or SE for that, just civil manners. Especially tanks I have zero understanding. They don't have waiting times anyways and there is ALWAYS a speed run 2 boss only open in Group finder. But no, those few minutes are already too much. Rather instantly join through DF and leave the party behind. I hope all tanks doing this come to a point where they level a DD to see how nice this is for the rest of the players.

[Macka]

It is, it is: "this content needs to make people busy until X date, so lets add bottlenecks to make them waste time".

why design content to make you busy while having fun when you can implement bottlenecks or useless content *cough cough* fate atmas *cough cough*?



25 soldiery tomestones? in the same time you got unlucky and tank/healer left the instance you could do 2 brayflox.



I agree. Yet one GM (or Yoshida, i don't remember) said that they can't stop someone from being afk on a dungeon because they "don't have to" complete the dungeon. When you hit the commence button you agree to join, not to complete it (i know, it's a stupid move).

No, they didn't anything like that. What you saying doesn't even makes sense. They did say they are looking into ways to stop this kind of behavior.

[Merle]

No, they didn't anything like that. What you saying doesn't even makes sense. They did say they are looking into ways to stop this kind of behavior.

Oh, my bad then. it was long time ago, so i didn't remember it correcty :3