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  1. #21
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    Karnyboy's Avatar
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    Sigmund Felsword
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItzKris View Post
    He meant some people don't know how to take advice (aka negative criticism). "Don't tank there, tank here." "Don't pull with provoke, use shield lob."
    Some people get mad when given those kinds of advice.
    Well wouldn't that just be criticism?
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  2. #22
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    Drako's Avatar
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    Drako Lombardi
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    Balmung
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    Wish I saved a screenshot from my roulette last night, its perfect for this topic. I had a blm in amdapor last night, and I did a quick gear check to see what we had going on. This guy had allag gear, and was working on his animus. The rest of the group was equally equipped. So I would pull a couple groups at a time. The first couple waves, I noticed it was very slow killing everything off. Then I started to take notice of what was going on. The blm was doing Fire II, until empty, then blizzard III, then back again, not initiating Fire III to kick it off, no flare, if it was done it wasn't done with umbral 3. When there was only a couple mobs it was Fire III > Fire III > Fire III > Fire III > Blizzard III > Thunder/Blizzard III > Repeat. I advised this guy from the get go, I want to give him some advice, and I have no intention to offend.I explained to him how he should use Fire III only to switch to umbral fire, then do Fire I unless you get a freebee on Fire III. He said cool I'll try it. 10 mins into the dungeon, I didn't see him trying at all. So I kindly asked, if he had any intention to try it in the dungeon, and stated, it would really speed things up. At this point he said something along the lines of, "oh great another tank that thinks he can control the entire party, and everything they do". I was like woah, man just forget it, play how you want, I didn't intend to upset you. We get to the end of the run and he knew how to mark and do the doors, so I was happy with that. Maybe he thought it worked like FFXI, it never occured to me maybe that's what he thought. I'm not really sure. In the end the run took 35 minutes, and everyone was 85ilvl+, and we didn't wipe on any boss.

    Anyhow this just goes back to whats been said. A lot of people are generally sensitive about being educated. They feel they do it well enough and its not something they feel they can improve upon much. I'm not sure if its just how our generation is, or what. But people are not willing to accept advice, because when they receive it, it automatically is assumed that advice = looking down on you. Or that it means something far worse then just, "here let me help you out friend." They interpret it as, "you suck do this or you are a complete noob".
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxion View Post
    Precisely. Some people just don't like to hear that they're doing something wrong, or could be doing something better. Instead of embracing the fact that they could be doing something wrong, they instead take offense.
    People do not like to hear that they're doing something wrong in the tone and method most people use.
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  4. #24
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    Diavolo's Avatar
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    Maximilian Vitalis
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    Faerie
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    People on here seem to think that because I have a different opinion than they do, I must fall under the flaw of being a troll.
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  5. #25
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    Moheeheeko's Avatar
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    Asrah Stone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karnyboy View Post
    I am not guilty of any of those.

    and yet there's Flaw #1 right there.
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  6. #26
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    Raxion Gunsoul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Well I for sure wont take negative criticism. I'll take constructive or positive criticism but not a negative one.

    Regardless the only thing I'm guilty of is hurting myself for giving constructive/positive criticism to other players that are replacing people with the same role as me in the long run for giving out my unique rotations to them. Now mega ethers cost twice as much. I ain't paying that much for mega ethers.
    Negative criticism could be something as simple as telling someone that they're not doing something right. I think you have negative criticism confused with verbal assault, which is indeed not OK.
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  7. #27
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    MercuryAcetylene's Avatar
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    Mercury Acetylene
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    Sorry, not guilty of any of those... Im just too AWESOME *sniff*
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  8. #28
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    Goji Degotye
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    Twintania
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    Not guilty of any of those - we could wipe 5 times and I would not be bothered in the least, but I can be petty when peoplr won't let me do my job. If you run away while I'm casting protect or stoneskin at the beginning of the dungeon, I won't cast it on you again. Same goes for tanks who do it in my place - enjoy your crappy protect.
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    Last edited by Moqi; 05-08-2014 at 09:53 PM.

  9. #29
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    Gormogon's Avatar
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    Gormogon Maxwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drako View Post
    I'm not sure if its just how our generation is, or what. But people are not willing to accept advice, because when they receive it, it automatically is assumed that advice = looking down on you.
    It is and it isn't. From my personal experience it is just simple stubbornness in most cases. "It's my way or the highway"

    As I was growing up I was forced to teach English to 3 of my cousins. I tried but eventually it never happened between any of them. They had a hard time in school and they wanted to blame me instead of themselves or their parents that didn't want to supervise it. They preferred playing on my SNES over studying and I understand no kids wants that. I'm even bothering with my niece since she feels that being educated is some sort of superiority complex and that she wont ever need all that knowledge, she flunked that year of elementary, and my nephew has a sense of inferiority complex where he says he understands but he actually doesn't. Had my neighbor wanting me to help with her math homework and she actually just wanted the answers.

    Individuals will always have their own individual reasons for acting the way they do to criticism. Yet for the most part people are just stubborn overall when it comes to criticism in which from my personal history and experience is because they grew up in an environment where they didn't have to deal with it.

    As for this generation though the rate of "zero tolerance" is only increasing because they don't have to put up with at home so to be expected to put up with it in gaming is just not gonna happen.

    I remember towards the end of vanilla WoW even though there was arguments it was more of a passionate discussion on trying to get better attempts for the next time around and at least we put in solid attempts for weeks if not months on end during those raiding schedules. Around the time the first expansion was announced I was in a guild made of friends so it was way more tolerable and way more lenient. When I joined a friend to go to a high end raiding guild for a while it wasn't that bad either. Guess I was just lucky to have this kind of experience.

    Yet in FFXIV ARR while it was challenging to get a group of people to handle AK as well as Garuda/Titan HM and BCoB yet it wasn't that bad. If anything it was just depressing how easily people gave up on the content. 2.1 and CT well even though there was a lot of bickering and whining and wipes it was tolerable due to all the leniency in the mechanics which for me just made it overall enjoyable as a raiding experience and with the better gear it motivated some people to give solid attempts with the extreme primals and BCoB that people would just give up on. Yet as for 2.2 I've yet to be in a party that's willing to give solid attempts and progress through Thornmarch and Turn 6 not even 5 attempts in and people call it and say it's not happening despite being in the last phase of those 2 respective fights. Hell even Atma farming is a big deal.
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  10. #30
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    Elletna's Avatar
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    Mystral Raine
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    Odin
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    Lancer Lv 60
    I wonder how fast things would change if you got negative commendations alongside the positive commendations... And if they were public (in the sense that players can see it alongside your gear when examining). XD Not saying that would be a good thing, mind you, as it would most likely be abused just like everything else. (Another big negative would be whether or not they were permanent (as in that case how would you know if somebody had changed their behavior?), and if you were to offset good with bad then they still might not care if they have enough 'good' commendations to not mind the 'bad' commendations.)

    But yeah, I agree with all the posts about the toxic community. I'm firmly in the camp that believes that people make or break your MMO experience, and lately I've just been seeing so much negativity among players that it can really ruin my personal game experience.
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