Lockouts vs % Droprates - Pros, Cons, Comparisons and Discussion.

[MapleDeepDish]

A healthy game has both content types, in my opinion. In XI pre abyssea we had dynamis, limbus, Assault/Nyzul/Einherjar on lockout. Then sky, sea, BCNMs, HNMs, SCNMs as continuously farm-able content. And yes, this game is young yet and I believe it will eventually have both in abundance. But for its first year of development, they have decided to go totally to the lockout side. As such, it just seems to make more sense for Free Company comradery, friendship and morale to have it be a loot only lockout system.

[Huntington]

I'll say a second time, I didn't mean that to come off as insulting, I was trying to invite discussion. I apologize for coming off as rude that's not my intent.

I understand what you meant if it's any consolidation. "Ignorant" shouldn't be an immediately rude or misgiving word, to be ignorant simply means you're not currently aware of something. And to be aware of something you just ask about it. Simple as that.

[Moheeheeko]

The "abolish lockouts" people would quickly change their tune when it takes 30+ clears to get something besides 80 Gil.

I've played games like that before, it doesn't end well.

[MapleDeepDish]

Those who don't like lockouts have % drop process to earn atma weapons.
Those who don't like RNG have guranteed but lockout limiting rewards.

I see benefit of having both intermixed in a single IP.

Again, its not really about not liking loot lockouts. Its about my 15 person FC constantly having to shuffle who gets to actually do coil with the group this week and who gets condemned to the purgatory of party finder. Its about friends in my 3 linkshells looking for people they know and like and want to play with to come and do runs with them and there being nothing but the sound of crickets. Then, "sorry, already did it with my static" or "can't, my static will be doing it on Friday." There's no way around it, that's just dumb, and very effective at cordoning off people into specific little 8 man groups

[AmyNeudaiz]

The "abolish lockouts" people would quickly change their tune when it takes 30+ clears to get something besides 80 Gil.

I've played games like that before, it doesn't end well.

I wouldn't mind because I am a farm minded player. I have run old coil so much I am literally only missing 4-5 pieces since no restriction and some of those drops took a lot of farming.
But those are my thoughts on that

[Moheeheeko]

I wouldn't mind because I am a farm minded player. I have run old coil so much I am literally only missing 4-5 pieces since no restriction and some of those drops took a lot of farming.
But those are my thoughts on that

You would mind when the playerbase gets reduced by 90% because people get to run 25 with no loot and say "forget it" that's what Aion did, they went from 20+ packed servers to 4, yes FOUR, two for na and two for eu, and to this day even though that way of gear drops is gone most people won't go back.

[MapleDeepDish]

I wouldn't mind because I am a farm minded player. I have run old coil so much I am literally only missing 4-5 pieces since no restriction and some of those drops took a lot of farming.
But those are my thoughts on that

I think he meant assuming your successful runs in old coil had a very very high probability of dropping no gear of value. But again, I feel like the atma anger might be seeping through here. Not all RNG has to be a 1% droprate. Would you have a problem with a system where the chests at the end of a coil run had, say, a 10-15% droprate for the allagan/high allagan gear and then if it didn't contain a piece of said gear, it had high level crafting mats-hq crawler cocoons, hq gold ore-things like that.

[ispano]

I understand what you meant if it's any consolidation. "Ignorant" shouldn't be an immediately rude or misgiving word, to be ignorant simply means you're not currently aware of something. And to be aware of something you just ask about it. Simple as that.

It's not that they said Ignorant, it's that they said "Willfully" ignorant. Quite a large difference between the two.

[skaterger]

I'll say a second time, I didn't mean that to come off as insulting, I was trying to invite discussion. I apologize for coming off as rude that's not my intent.

My apologies too. I had already typed out my reply before i saw your clarification.

[Qfox]

In no situation is RNG drops desireable.

RNG is best thing in mmo that i enjoy .. i farm atma endlessly .. becasue its feel good to beat that RNG and see atma window
pop on my screeen.