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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    It is stupid however that you pick everything to talk about except the core of the discussion: That people call female avatars he.
    And I think it's stupid that this is the point of contention in the large, vast world of complications non-binary gender identity stuff has. "This is where I draw the line." Seems really goofy when you still have to check one of two boxes on your physician's documentation.
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    Luna Nattvind
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    Quote Originally Posted by RumiP View Post
    And I think it's stupid that this is the point of contention in the large, vast world of complications non-binary gender identity stuff has. "This is where I draw the line." Seems really goofy when you still have to check one of two boxes on your physician's documentation.
    Alot of people are against that aswell. I am not solely because I know the relevance of what gender you biologically are in those papers, if I didn't know I would probably fight for that cause aswell.

    But enough about that, that is just circumventing your point.

    I am going to tackle it instand

    The difference between those documents you mentioned and those in this game are two:
    1. You chose what box you shall check when you make your character.
    2. It bears no relevance, Ok, maybe not none, there are some looking for a girlfriend to have IRL in these kinds of games, but I am usually considerate enough to tell them that I IRL am a physical male (and usually if they further ask about it add that I consider myself ungendered) if they show any "interest".

    The reason why I personally "draw the line" here is because there is nothing justifying to by default call a female character for he. I understand if someone calls a character whose avatar they have never seen with a name like "Killer Gnome" for the wrong gender by mistake, but some people go on calling female characters for he just because they are used to do it. People chose what gender they want to be in Eorzea and I think we shall respect that choice
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    If u have enough time to rant about one letter in a pronoun I think you're living a much better life than a lot of people
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    I play a female character and get called by he or she all the time.
    The thing is, you know which gender you are, or want to be that's all that matters.
    Stop reading he and she and just see it as the same word referring to you as a person rather than to your gender, because people simply don't know.

    You can not tell if it's a male or female irl, no matter how they behave in game, I've seen the same things from both male and female gamers over the years and on top of that plenty of people that pretended to be the other gender.
    He/She is just a reference to you as person, nothing less, nothing more.
    I rather have a person mistakenly call out the wrong gender than them calling me an it or something.
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    I have known a couple of Korean guys named Kim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    I have known a couple of Korean guys named Kim
    I know a couple guys named Kim in North Korea too! What coincidence! Maybe we know the same guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    I have known a couple of Korean guys named Kim
    I also knew an African American man named Kim, and his friends would occasionally refer to him as Kimmy.
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    You know, for the number of folks going, "It's just a game," none of you seem to realize that it's kinda shitty having to deal with the exact same shit I deal with in real life in a game.

    Maybe you all have a blast dealing with the shit that sucks in your life in games but I don't particularly.

    Very few of you have any idea what gender dysphoria is like, having never experienced it for yourself, so you see the triggering of it as either something I have control over (that's not how it works) or the dysphoria itself as no big deal (it really really is). So, maybe instead of telling me to just deal with it, recognize that some people have to deal with shit that you don't, and try to be considerate of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmy_Dee View Post
    You know, for the number of folks going, "It's just a game," none of you seem to realize that it's kinda shitty having to deal with the exact same shit I deal with in real life in a game.
    You come onto the XIV forums and demand sympathy for us, then some of us try to sit at your table, but you turn around and be mean.
    the first problem was: you came onto the XIV forums, these forums in particular. the lot of us dont give a rats ass lol.
    youre making a moutain out of a mole hill really.

    also they call you a male in rl...and youre a girl right? welp...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmy_Dee View Post
    see the triggering of it
    If being called a wrong gender triggers you so bad, then either please make an effort at the beginning of your dungeon/joining of your FC/dungeon note to make it known to the people what you want to be called, or do not use platforms where people have no information about you and may accidentally misgender you. If I was TERRIFIED of cat-people and they trigger me due to some mindset I have or traumatic event, I cannot go and argue that people should not play mi'qote. I can also not say that people are playing mi'qote to trigger or harass me. If you do not let people know what you want to be called, it literally cannot be classified as harassment. They are just innocently taking /some kind of guess/ at what you /might/ be.

    If you tell them what you want to be called and they start harassing you on it, at that point it becomes harassment. But you cannot expect people to be psychic and know what exactly you wish to be called.
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