My thoughts on the Animus issue.

[Gerolan]

@lillia bit confused? Where did I say to re level all classes, you had said not fair for those who capped all already so my suggestion was to help those that have them capped. Not to punish them.
Also when I suggested ifrit ex I also mentioned the others, obviously they would need to be done in order of G, T and I, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I would personally fight the EX primals than grind 1500 myth per book.

[Lillia]

@lillia bit confused? Where did I say to re level all classes, you had said not fair for those who capped all already so my suggestion was to help those that have them capped. Not to punish them.
Also when I suggested ifrit ex I also mentioned the others, obviously they would need to be done in order of G, T and I, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I would personally fight the EX primals than grind 1500 myth per book.

I meant for people who aren't 50s in any classes other than two or so, not the ones it was directed towards.

For EX's it's sorta a block for people still on them. Remember to even get to Levi EX (Which has a wep equal if not better than Animus) people need to have done the other EX's first meaning thats already one wall blocking content for those who never beat the EX's and probably feel they are too hard. Coil turn 6-9 is with gear that is what mostly makes up the new BiS but this is yet another wall.

If you make too much content unreachable for the players left behind that just makes a recipe for losing a ton of players who feel like they will never be able to catch up and brb switching from lappy to pc.

[Gerolan]

If you make too much content unreachable for the players left behind that just makes a recipe for losing a ton of players who feel like they will never be able to catch up and brb switching from lappy to pc.

I think a lot though that have done the grind on one class and contemplating another class, would relish the idea of a way not to have to re grind it.when I suggested ways to help those with one 50 you said not fair on legacy capped, so I suggested ways to help those too and you said not fair, feels like no matter what's suggested someone will seem it unfair, not having a dig at you BTW, but that's the main problem, no matter what fix or changes comes someone will say it's not fair, I feel sorry for SE they can never please the player base

[Gerolan]

Also to add, again not digging at you lillia, but the EX modes aren't that hard, I agree titan needs re tuned as he's a major giant boulder blocking access to other content, but then animus isn't meant to be easy either, I actually think it fits that to get an animus you need to at least be able to defrost EX primals, also still calling it at some point we will get primal insane mode, with a 180degree titan landslide!

[Lillia]

Also to add, again not digging at you lillia, but the EX modes aren't that hard, I agree titan needs re tuned as he's a major giant boulder blocking access to other content, but then animus isn't meant to be easy either, I actually think it fits that to get an animus you need to at least be able to defrost EX primals, also still calling it at some point we will get primal insane mode, with a 180degree titan landslide!

Oh it's cool, I know you're not and I hope you know I'm not trying to aim at you either. I actually have my Atma wep as well and I'm almost on book 5. xD

Back on topic, yeah that would be the problem, not being able to please the world. I think a general increase to the drop rate for Atma that affects everyone when new content is almost here will be good though. (Meaning an increase this month hopefully)

if the Myth rates are increased along with Fate spawn timer rates for the Fates that the books ask for it'll probably fix the more common issues that people have with the content atm.

Also if the player can EX then wouldn't they get Levi's weapon which is generally better for most classes when upgraded via mirrors? It makes having a Atma a trophy more or less.

And for those who can't EX even though some can with ease, They won't have any new gears thats why imo it was good that Atma/Animus wasn't linked to EX's when EX already has new gears they are giving.

Also yoshi did possibly hint that primal weapons will be used for future content.

[rabbitzero]

people who have been really unlucky and haven't gotten all their atma

All? I haven't gotten ONE! I sat down the other day, after having done an hour or so a day for a month, without a drop, turned on the tv and ran around doing fates in Central Shroud for four hours straight. Not. One. Drop. I am close to the 3000 fate achievement at this point, and i wasn't even half way to it before i started this. I am frankly sick and tired of it. Nothing has made me feel like quitting the game before, and that's even toxic players. I can just ignore them and move on. I can't with this. This grind is why i stopped playing FFXI, i don't want it here.

I love the idea of the books though, even though you need a lot of myth, and you have to do a lot of stuff to finish them, you at least have a freaking idea of where you will end. With the atmas? I could possibly do this until i die and not get a single one. That is what pisses me off, spending hours doing something that gets me squat (a handful of seals, pitiful amount of gil, can't even level a side class) and no end in sight.

[Lillia]

-snip- sorry had to cut this to quote post.

The book idea is awesome, I do agree but the Fates they ask for have very long timers. Which is why my suggestion above says what it says, I pray for you btw. I remember when I was farming my last Atma with my other half, he got 5 while I had 0 after hours of going from fate to fate in Western La Noscea's higher leveled area. ._. I was like Nope, Ima solo grind for this naothxhun *leaves party.* I had so much rage lol. @-@

But I was so unbelievably happy when I finally got it, oh my gosh. It was like getting the key to the flippin city of gold. ;-;

[Yurihyuga]

Personally the atma grind is working as intended took 50 hours for me roughly give or take to get the 12. Try getting a relic in FFXI then come back and complain about atma grinding.

The books are brilliant gives you a variety of things to do to grind, however my only gripe is the fates in the book as some if not all are rare fates with long spawn times and have to hope other people are doing it to get a clear/gold.

However the mythology grinding is boring as hell 1500 per book is steep, I personally think this should be lowered to 500 we still have to work through the book so not like its a 500 myth trade off for instant stat.

However the pansies are complaining in full force and the atma grind is probably gonna be sped up most likely soon.

[Lillia]

Personally the atma grind is working as intended took 50 hours for me roughly give or take to get the 12. Try getting a relic in FFXI then come back and complain about atma grinding.

The books are brilliant gives you a variety of things to do to grind, however my only gripe is the fates in the book as some if not all are rare fates with long spawn times and have to hope other people are doing it to get a clear/gold.

However the mythology grinding is boring as hell 1500 per book is steep, I personally think this should be lowered to 500 we still have to work through the book so not like its a 500 myth trade off for instant stat.

However the pansies are complaining in full force and the atma grind is probably gonna be sped up most likely soon.

Just because some players don't have enough hours to do that or the patience to do the grind for that many hours doesn't mean they should be left behind as new content rolls out, if newer content is coming then they have every right to ask for a nerf allowing them to catch up in a game that they pay as much as we do in otherwise they are just sitting around in game while they're tossing away their money at SE for nothing. >.>

Everyone has a different playstyle and different gaming times. Some have only a few hours they can spend in game doing atma grinds, it's understandable for those who just don't have 70 hours to spend for 12 drops or are bored and rather spend their amount of gaming hours doing something else that they feel they will actually get progression in.

Also, FFXI is not what it use to be anymore, when you can get lvl 99 in a few hours or days? That's ridiculous, Come back to me when they revive a compareable grind to what they had when players had to get lvl 75.

And no this doesn't mean I agree with the people who make 1,000 threads to QQ about the same exact thing they said in their previous threads but saying people are pansies because they are voicing themselves is just wrong.

[CrAZYVIC]

I dont mind the 40 - 50 hours grind for complete the Atma weapons.

My problem with this Dam weapon are.

1.- The atma weapons do not have stats change................... After 50 hours grinding.. We do not RECEIVE A REWARD/STATS change, this is unacceptable.

2.- Farm over 13k of Tomes, is the weapon demand "More Time" and MUST THE BEST weapon in the game.

Excuse me.

How in the hell.................. "SOME" Soldiery weapons overcome the animus weapon, a weapon can take almost 80 - 100 hours complete?

Give us a stats Change in the ATMA weapons
Make the Animus weapon the weapons with Highest stats and Highest base damage in the game.