PSA Regarding Big Pulls

[Codek]

I don't think the group composition really matters, both melee classes have effective AoE abilities and can kill groups faster when it's 1 big pull. They just have to be smart about it.

the deciding factor is really if everyone (mostly tank/healer) is geared and everyone knows how to play their class effectively. Assuming all of that is true can lead to some horrible mistakes later on when you find out it's not.

[Xieveral]

I can handle big pulls just fine on DRG. Combine your buffs and AoE skills, focus on the annoying/key-dropping mob while they're on cooldown, repeat.

As a tank, big pulls are fun but if your party isn't geared or prepared, you're gonna have a bad time. Ask if everyone's okay with it before going nuts and if they are, remember your cooldowns.

[Billzey]

Every group composition can handle big pulls, except when a silly MNK joins the party. It's still possible if the 2nd DPS is good, but MNK slows things down considerably.

Also, lol @ the person who said you shouldn't have to switch jobs for a speedrun. Seriously? You'd rather gimp the group than change to something useful?

[Odett]

Every group composition can handle big pulls, except when a silly MNK joins the party. It's still possible if the 2nd DPS is good, but MNK slows things down considerably.

Also, lol @ the person who said you shouldn't have to switch jobs for a speedrun. Seriously? You'd rather gimp the group than change to something useful?

I think what they were trying to say was actually level a job, but at the same time, you're also not responsible for having a BLM but queuing for a random dungeon as a DRG because you want a little variety; you do not owe 3 random players that much. You can Rockbreaker and weave in Howling Fist as MNK, but it won't do stellar damage. You can also Doom Spike and do combo RoTs as DRG and have your TP eaten depending on how big the pull is and your gear and the gear level of your party members, while having a healer full-time heal. You could ALSO pull smaller and not dodge so many monster AoEs so you would not mess up melee positioning moves, and have the healer DPS.

[PArcher]

When I tank, I look at the party comp and their gear.

For the most part, I pull 2 groups max unless the group says to pull more (or 1 group if we have a MNK or undergeared people). I'd rather take it slower and not wipe than try to go faster and wipe.

[Shaone]

PSA regarding Monk

I've been noticing more and more people claiming that Monk can't do good AoE. Yet the damage a good Monk can put out in AoE situations where there are 3 minutes of downtime between pulls, such as Brayflox exceeds other jobs except for Black Mage (and the difference there is not as much as you would think, if Foe Requiem is not available). If you're not a monk, don't just assume that we can't handle big pulls.

However, there are many Monks who have been told their job can't AoE well, and thus never realised their true potential.


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What I do:

Build stacks on running mobs the way to the stop point, should aim to have GS2 and be able to execute Rockbreaker as next move, with a fresh stack of Twin Snakes. Then Inner Release -> Blood for Blood -> Rockbreaker -> Perfect Balance -> Rockbreaker x5 (or x4 depending on Skill Speed) -> Invigorate -> Arm of the Destroyer -> Twin Snakes (ideally on mob with highest HP) -> Howling Fist -> Rockbreaker, and single target down the few stragglers that might remain (usually none).

[PArcher]

I've been noticing more and more people claiming that Monk can't do good AoE.

Its pretty much the same thing with the "all DRG are good for is eating dirt" mentality. Most MNK can't/won't AoE as well as any other job (just like how most DRG are garbage), so its better to play cautious and not do big pulls with a random MNK in the party.

[Zhi]

PSA regarding Monk

I've been noticing more and more people claiming that Monk can't do good AoE. Yet the damage a good Monk can put out in AoE situations where there are 3 minutes of downtime between pulls, such as Brayflox exceeds other jobs except for Black Mage (and the difference there is not as much as you would think, if Foe Requiem is not available).
[/HB]

If you need 3 minutes in between pulls then either there's clearly not enough aoe damage or you dps bosses slow

[Shaone]

If you need 3 minutes in between pulls then either there's clearly not enough aoe damage or you dps bosses slow

By downtime I just mean "non-mega-aoe-time"... like boss fights and setting up next pull... 3 mins between pulls is reasonable if there is just 1 pull per boss, and you can still get sub-5 min for first 2 Bray bosses, since the PB timer is up when you enter, and has time to charge during boss fight and getting next pull set up and building stacks.

So, just to be clear, 3 minutes is the Perfect Balance timer, this is the peak damage point of a Monk AoE rotation, and is the same timer as Convert on Black Mage, which is kinda necessary for that job to maximise AoE damage too.

(edit: the biggest mistake for Monk AoE is to build stacks with Perfect Balance->Rockbreaker, which not only massively gimps the damage, and also reduces the number you can perform while is up... so Monks, if you want to go longer, harder and have a more satisfying climax, then I suggest getting your Rocks off once you are fully greased up.... foreplay is important, don't leave it out)

[RickXRolled]

PSA regarding Monk

I've been noticing more and more people claiming that Monk can't do good AoE. Yet the damage a good Monk can put out in AoE situations where there are 3 minutes of downtime between pulls, such as Brayflox exceeds other jobs except for Black Mage (and the difference there is not as much as you would think, if Foe Requiem is not available). If you're not a monk, don't just assume that we can't handle big pulls.

However, there are many Monks who have been told their job can't AoE well, and thus never realised their true potential.


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This guy gets it.