PSA Regarding Big Pulls

[Lucke]

Your line from before "WARs can prolly survive without a BRD." makes the implication that paladins can't. Another thing, don't just assume what I was gonna tell you, and don't take an honest question so damn personally. Was just gonna say "Riot Blade". You'd be better off with your bard focusing on dealing damage or buffing the black mage rather than regenerating your MP when you have an ability that allows you to do it yourself.

NOTE: None of the above is a personal attack on you, so relax.




ATTN: We have a "Like" fisher contributing nothing to the discussion in the building.

Wasn't my intention. Professional wordsmith I am not. And I didn't take it as a personal attack, I was defending my point.

[Odett]

Never said PLD "need" ballad, just that's it's nice to have.

The only "real" AoE tool PLD has is Flash. RoH doesn't count. So, logically, to take and maintain aggro on a bunch of mobs would require massive use of flash to keep aggro from Flare-ing BLM. Flash is hard on PLD limited MP pool. Ballad helps by allowing the PLD to non-stop spam flash, or at least slow the use of MP so the AoEers can kill the mobs before the PLD runs out of MP.

And don't even tell me to tab target and switch targets during an aggro combo. That doesn't work when fighting 10+ mobs, sorry.

I've done fine with no BRDs countless times. Just that I'll have to use Riot Blade a couple times to get more MP for flash.

Either tell the BLM to Aetherial Manipulation to you when they get aggro, or just have them close to you and use Cover on them when they pull aggro. Having a BRD lose DPS so you can Flash spam (laaaaaaaazy) defeats the purpose of pulling more monsters so you can finish faster. This is a prime example of the point I'm trying to make that doing big pulls inefficiently for the sake of doing big pulls make the run slower.

[Lucke]

Either tell the BLM to Aetherial Manipulation to you when they get aggro, or just have them close to you and use Cover on them when they pull aggro. Having a BRD lose DPS so you can Flash spam (laaaaaaaazy) defeats the purpose of pulling more monsters so you can finish faster. This is a prime example of the point I'm trying to make that doing big pulls inefficiently for the sake of doing big pulls make the run slower.

By maybe 5 minutes. This is the problem I have with this community, "why take 10 minutes when you can take 5? 10 minutes is so fail!" So what if the BRD needs to ballad me, they don't care. Not once have I ever been grouped with a BRD that said "lolBallad". Some of them actually popped ballad without being asked on their own accord. And I can live without it. If they keep ballad up, the run may take a few minutes longer, who cares, it's not the end of the world. Everyone is in such a rush.

[SarcasmMisser]

Never said PLD "need" ballad, just that's it's nice to have

I had a pld who complained about not being able to hold aoe threat once, and would insist the bard use Mage but still lost threat. We kicked him, I decided to tank as a pld and told the bard to play foes instead. I had no trouble holding aoe threat, you completely drain your mp pool with flashes, pop FoF and CDs and they will be dead before you lose threat. So from now on if a pld blames his job and he has equal or better gear than the dps I just laugh, it's hogwash.

Playing Mage song is nerfing a dps to carry a pld who can't do his job. I say this as a pld who can do his job.

[Ooshima]

I had a pld who complained about not being able to hold aoe threat once, and would insist the bard use Mage but still lost threat. We kicked him, I decided to tank as a pld and told the bard to play foes instead. I had no trouble holding aoe threat, you completely drain your mp pool with flashes, pop FoF and CDs and they will be dead before you lose threat. So from now on if a pld blames his job and he has equal or better gear than the dps I just laugh, it's hogwash.

Playing Mage song is nerfing a dps to carry a pld who can't do his job. I say this as a pld who can do his job.

This sounds incredibly familiar.. was I the BRD lol, I recalled few weeks back there was a PLD who lost threat to your first flare and you went PLD after.

[Zaero]

1. This is not a PSA
2. Make friends with a tank who will accommodate your pulling needs and you will solve all your problems
3. Become a tank who does little pulls
4. Become a bard or black mage that can accommodate big pulls.

Ooh my turn.

1) whatev
2) works well until they cant play and you want to
3) works until dps decide to what they want and dont listen
4) shouldn't have to change class to accomodate speedruns


Ta-dah!

[Odett]

1. I don't have a problem keeping up with big pulls.
2. I have a PLD.
3. I main BLM and have to deal with tanks who cannot keep aggro on big pulls which (surprise!) actually makes the run slower instead of faster.

I'm not saying that big pulls are always bad, or that smaller pulls are always best (you have to look at your group composition in order to determine what will achieve the most efficient run). All I'm saying is that pulling bigger is not always better. A run is not always made faster by pulling more groups, especially if you cannot mitigate. Some people have the misconception that big pulls are ALWAYS better.

[Nukocafe]

1. I don't have a problem keeping up with big pulls.
2. I have a PLD.
3. I main BLM and have to deal with tanks who cannot keep aggro on big pulls which (surprise!) actually makes the run slower instead of faster.

I'm not saying that big pulls are always bad, or that smaller pulls are always best (you have to look at your group composition in order to determine what will achieve the most efficient run). All I'm saying is that pulling bigger is not always better. A run is not always made faster by pulling more groups, especially if you cannot mitigate. Some people have the misconception that big pulls are ALWAYS better.

I think your thread is basically "if you can't handle it, don't do big pulls" so ultimately this is just thread #121251 about bad tanks in duty finder :P

[Raminax]

Can I do a PSA too?

Hello tanks!

When pulling more than ten enemies simultaneously, please look towards your Rampart, Sentinel, Hallowed Ground, Bulwark, Convalescence, Foresight, Thrill of Battle and/or Vengeance buttons. Pressing them too would be even nicer, but small steps!

With regards,

your dear Healer who wants to Holy really really badly.

[Otoha]

I like when people that dont even know a job comment on its ability to do good in certain situations.