Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
Titan and Leviathan were first summoned around the same time and we never learned how Titan's tempering was referred to. Even the term "Drowned" didn't show up until ARR - in 1.0 they were just despicable pirates who'd abandoned their kin to "take up the Sahagin god." After Ifrit tempers some people, one Small Talk NPC inside an instance simply muses "I've heard rumors the beast tribes brainwash people - maybe that's what the Serpent Ravers are!" and left it at just "brainwashing."
I haven't really put much thought into Titan's tempering in my theory because the only real instance we have of him doing so at all is in the unreleased scenes when he was in danger. If Titan's tempering isn't as common an occurrence as Leviathan's, people would think of Leviathan's most often. Assuming Leviathan even did drowning back then. Your sentence about the reavers being 'despicable pirates who'd abandoned their kin to "take up the Sahagin god"' reminded me one of the Sahagin quests. It is "An Enthralling Engagement". I don't have text right here, but Seww mentions that there is a "finless" cult that worships Leviathan and the reavers are parts of this cult. He mentions that conflict wouldn't arise as much if the Reavers stopped forcing others to worship him unwillingly. This makes me think that the drowning might be a recent tactic. Willing worshippers (like mentioned in 1.0) wouldn't HAVE to be tempered. If that's the case my theory of why Limsa thinks of drowning loses some oomph.

Quote Originally Posted by Kyan View Post
I understand primals not being truly beatable, which is why I guess I want to understand what the Garleans thought process was in regards to them. Surely they would have experienced this in Othard, yet overcame it. Was this through genocide of the Othardian beast tribes? If you remove the tribes, there is no one to summon the primal. At what point to they start listening to the advice of Ascians?
Here's something that popped into my head without any proof to back it up. We know that there is a difference in the amount of aether in different parts of the world (Eorzea has a higher than normal amount for example). What if the summoning of the Othard primals drained too much of Othard's already lower aether for them to be summoned anymore? Would that be able to happen without Eozea's aether being affected?