Is Twintania beatable yet?

[BillyBones]

I quit before 2.2 and want to finish T5 in order to get the trophy. I don't care about the game anymore and can't be bothered looking for a static team or invest any time in this. Just want to get it done.
So whats the difficulty of T5 right now? Did they nerf it yet? Is it beatable with DF? How much do the runs cost? And if its still hard, when would be a good time to come back and finish it?

[Recaldy]

They beefed up players. It's always been beatable...just now it's faster for the people who know what they're doing.

[Slatervonjager]

They beefed up players. It's always been beatable...just now it's faster for the people who know what they're doing.

Unless your on one of the statics in my former FC. In which case you can't beat it and get mad at ex FC members that have beat it with a random group of people. lol.

[GalaxyGirl]

Yes it's been nerfed to the ground. So even you could probably down it

Hp pools of enemies reduced, insane echo buff that increases over time which increases your HP, damage, and heals.

Mechanics have always been easy.

[kukurumei]

Yes it's been nerfed to the ground. So even you could probably down it

Sorta Sorta. Not really, is the final answer.

The buff does nothing to every major mechanic, and we have tried brute forcing it. Doesn't work as of 15%.

Buff helps: Death Sentences, Infirmary, fast conflags, 12minute enrage
Buff doesn't help: Conflags in general, Fireballs resets, dive bombs, snakes, twisters, dreds, liquid hell, pretty much all the hard stuff.

So basically no, echo doesn't help clear twin.

What echo does help is training. You don't have stupid stuff happening. If someone is caught in a conflag they shouldn't have, no big deal, If a tank is caught in a unprotected DS, not the end of the world. If you have someone dead on dreds, not the end of the world.

But
Not doing conflags the 2.1 way wipe.
Not doing dive bombs the 2.1 way is a wipe
Not doing snakes the 2.1 way is a wipe (though it's a lot more lax in now)
Not doing twisters 2.1 is a wipe
Not doing dreds 2.1 is a wipe
Not doing hatches 2.1 is a wipe

Basically, 2.2 is twin 2.1 without an enrage timer

Twin is win is not going to come to those that couldn't beat twin in the first place.

[GalaxyGirl]

Sorta Sorta. Not really, is the final answer.

The buff does nothing to every major mechanic, and we have tried brute forcing it. Doesn't work as of 15%.

Buff helps: Death Sentences, Infirmary, fast conflags, 12minute enrage
Buff doesn't help: Conflags in general, Fireballs resets, dive bombs, snakes, twisters, dreds, liquid hell, pretty much all the hard stuff.

So basically no, echo doesn't help clear twin.

What echo does help is training. You don't have stupid stuff happening. If someone is caught in a conflag they shouldn't have, no big deal, If a tank is caught in a unprotected DS, not the end of the world. If you have someone dead on dreds, not the end of the world.

Basically, 2.2 is twin 2.1 without an enrage timer

Twin is win is not going to come to those that couldn't beat twin in the first place.

With the echo + solo heals you can easily push and even skip entire phases.

[kukurumei]

With the echo + solo heals you can easily push and even skip entire phases.

That's full of shit.

Those are reserved for people who are farming twin.

For people clearing twin, you're giving them a death trap to single heal single tank.

Single tank double heal is doable, but you need the tank to be on farm level. (and a healer that can do transitions correctly, biggest problem with single tank is during snakes and profusion, very easy for a tank to die, if you can't heal during 1st twister while moving into star formation)

fyi you can't skip phases, only shorten them no matter how many dps.

Adds: no skiping
Conflags: they go faster, they don't skip. You maybe able to get it down to 2 rotations but you risk a conflag in the middle of dive bombs, so 3 no matter what
Dive bombs is unskipable
Snakes is unskippable (More dps is not always better here, since brute force means getting 2 stacks of weakness during divebombs, instant death for any non-tanks that fails it)
Twister is unskipple
Nothing to skip in Hatches

and finally even at 15% twin, I have clocked dps at as low as 180. That's laughable to push anything, even if you have 6 of them.

A twin run by farm people are easily floating at 250~300+

[GalaxyGirl]

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Um no, with echo everyone should be doing 360+ dps, with one warrior dpsing most of the phases getting around 250+dps, and the main tank getting over 130 dps. The total dps should be upwards to 2540. That's enough to skip phases that shouldn't be skipped like twin's lb, and basically cut off conflagration phase if you do the aoe adds strat with adds at beginning, which is having main tank get all adds and twin, and start aoeing them all.

But yeah, he mentioned buying a carry, and even with him dead the whole time total dps should be over 2180. Which is enough to push phases still.

[Alise]

Sorta Sorta. Not really, is the final answer.

The buff does nothing to every major mechanic, and we have tried brute forcing it. Doesn't work as of 15%.

Buff helps: Death Sentences, Infirmary, fast conflags, 12minute enrage
Buff doesn't help: Conflags in general, Fireballs resets, dive bombs, snakes, twisters, dreds, liquid hell, pretty much all the hard stuff.

So basically no, echo doesn't help clear twin.

What echo does help is training. You don't have stupid stuff happening. If someone is caught in a conflag they shouldn't have, no big deal, If a tank is caught in a unprotected DS, not the end of the world. If you have someone dead on dreds, not the end of the world.

But
Not doing conflags the 2.1 way wipe.
Not doing dive bombs the 2.1 way is a wipe
Not doing snakes the 2.1 way is a wipe (though it's a lot more lax in now) [Nah!!, it is sooo much relax now, if dps is alive and can't kill it, then they are so bad at their role.]
Not doing twisters 2.1 is a wipe
Not doing dreds 2.1 is a wipe
Not doing hatches 2.1 is a wipe

Basically, 2.2 is twin 2.1 without an enrage timer

Twin is win is not going to come to those that couldn't beat twin in the first place.

But I think what you said is opposite. Those dps stuffs, healing stuffs is basically the hardest part of the fight that limited only people who skilled in their role to win. Those mechanic about general conflag, dive bomb, dreds, twisters are all the easy part of the fight, as long as people are not so slow in learning.