PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Shinun]

So by your logic RMT and botting is fine. If the system is poorly made let the players respond to it how they like. Oh ya that does already happen and they get banned.
So if let's say a future patch happens and people who wintraded without a definite "no" from SE came get banned. They have no right to argue against it because, they knew they were using the system as it wasn't intended and just wanted to respond to the poorly made system as it was.

[NyneAlexander]

Let's say the people who wintraded only did it for glamour. Then they shouldn't be allowed at all in any pvp content. They got items in a way that wasn't attendend and will be able to abuse other players trying to partake in future content that might not have the items because they are still in the process of the legitimiate grind

I would be totally 100% fine with this. In fact, if SE offered a version of the pvp gear with 0 stats that you could farm solo, I'd be ok with this too. Then you could actually crack down on pvp win trading because you'd know the people doing it wouldn't be doing it for glamours.

So by your logic RMT and botting is fine. If the system is poorly made let the players respond to it how they like. Oh ya that does already happen and they get banned.
So if let's say a future patch happens and people who wintraded without a definite "no" from SE came get banned. They have no right to argue against it because, they knew they were using the system as it wasn't intended and just wanted to respond to the poorly made system as it was.

This is a no. No one said botting is ok. No one is endorsing using a 3rd party program to automatically queue for pvp, enter with your character, and run around until the match is over to get points. No one is saying this is ok for PvE either. Its really not the same because you aren't manipulating the code to do something its not supposed to do. If SE was really worried about win trading, then SE should have implemented a system that didn't allow 8 people to find a way to queue 4v4 together.

[MakoRaiju]

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You are getting way out of topic here. Patches makes older content easier, thats a design MMO's been using for ages so ofc people are gonna go thru old content faster then when they were released.

And yeah, people lessen their grind and play together by grouping up to do, to use your examples, by doing Fates together. No exploit there, using the system as it should be used. But to compare to win trading you have to go to the instance of a where you have a full grp and theres some members thats been on followmode on another active member since start and does jack for the xp or rewards or whatever. Do you think the active members in that grp think its fair their doing what they should to get what they want, while the ones leeching off on follow mode is not doing jack?

Win trading is a behaviour in players that want to take the fast and effortless way to to reach the end and has been a bannable offense for exploiting the queue system in quite alot of games. I dont liek to bring the name up but im gonna say for example WoW and SWTOR.

Right now it seems that every comparisons you have come up with is totally off track and have nothing to do with the matter at hand.

[Sapphic]

If you can convince ADS to lay down and trade wins with you, then sure. Go for it.

Oh wait... people already do that with enrage strat, and SE said go for it.

not first coil turn 2, second coil as that gives the best PvE gear. Even with enrage, you can still fail.

[NyneAlexander]

Answer me this: Whats worse, win trading with a group of 7 other people all on the same page, or joining a pvp queue solo with the intention of just standing there and gaining losers points while you watch tv or read a book?

[Sapphic]

Right now it seems that every comparisons you have come up with is totally off track and have nothing to do with the matter at hand.

They just grasping at any straw or irrelevance to try and defend the actions.

Like the strawman argument "I only want for glamor".

[NyneAlexander]

They just grasping at any straw or irrelevance to try and defend the actions.

Like the strawman argument "I only want for glamor".

Orz. How is it a strawmans argument if its the truth? First off, let me go on record by saying that I have actually never pvp win traded. But after playing a bunch of pvp matches, I definitely am not holding it against anyone if they want to. PVP IS A JOKE. Even with insane gear, its a joke. There are currently two viable strategies: kill the healer or kill the black mage. Thats it. And I'm really not that good at it. But i will continue to join pvp queues, piss off other players with my terrible skills, and grind it out to get the dope looking gears that I want. And when I get them, i'll most likely stop.

Who's really hurt by this? The 3 other players in all of my countless parties because I suck at pvp. If I win traded my way to those gears, then those countless other party members would have never had to deal with my abysmal pvp talent, the world would continue to turn and the beat goes on.

[LeonRegulus]

Answer me this: Whats worse, win trading with a group of 7 other people all on the same page, or joining a pvp queue solo with the intention of just standing there and gaining losers points while you watch tv or read a book?

Neither is good, which is better is also another irrelevant argument. Just because one thing is worse than another, does not make either of them good.

Can we just stop trying to justify laziness?

[Dhex]

Neither is good, which is better is also another irrelevant argument. Just because one thing is worse than another, does not make either of them good.

Can we just stop trying to justify laziness?

Can we just stop being gated by meaningless time-sinks?

[NyneAlexander]

Neither is good, which is better is also another irrelevant argument. Just because one thing is worse than another, does not make either of them good.

Can we just stop trying to justify laziness?

Laziness was justified when SE decided that the losers get points too.