PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Nalien]

You do realize that when the people who win-trade get bored/stop it for the day, most of them do normal PvP.

Maybe I'm giving people too much credit, but if they do normal PvP when they're bored of win trading, why would they stop doing normal PvP if they can't win trade? They're not really going to throw a tantrum and never PvP again because they can't cheese their way to the top, are they?

[Elim]

They're not really going to throw a tantrum and never PvP again because they can't cheese their way to the top, are they?

Yes. Some people will.

[Geobryn]

People would actually do that? Win trading works because you win and lose, back to back losing because you're too damn lazy to do anything at all just seems ridiculously stupid. Not to mention it certainly is something you can report players for, where as reporting win traders is still in question.

Still, whether win traders should be dealt with or not wasn't the focus of my post, again; I don't really care what happens to them.

well the thing is, you can get to max rank by constantly loosing, so if you ban win trade guess what is going to happen ? and you doesn't even have to be afk, just running around spamming tab+1 while watching movie would be enough to no get banned

People would actually do that?

aion dreadgion anyone ?

[Elvin]

TBH I thought about doing it, cause I wanted some of the armors vor vanity. And PVP is so bad and boring that doing PVP is not something I want to do. It will just not happend. I did it when it come out, and the only fun I had in the hours I did it was laughting about how bad designed it was in TS with the FC member I was playing with.

I ended up not doing it cause I was lazy to find a group and spend some hours doing that boring thing. But can't blame anyone for doing it. I mean... PVP is fucking bad. As long as you are not hacking anything or doing anything illegal, taking advantge over a bad designed death system (This woudn't work if there was a lot of people doing PVP cause in that case you woud not be able to choose wich group you'll face in the match) to get some skins is totally OK for me.

[Velo_Vandore]

Group makes 2 parties of 4 and queue up. There are not many people doing PvP (especially the 4-man premade one, or at least it was like that when I played my few rounds during first days of 2.1, most ppl queued with 3 ppl, taking a random healer) and DF puts priority on own server, so the chance of facing the other party is very high. Then they take turns for losing on purpose.

Thanks for clarifying, and that's what I suspected actually. So if PVP was more desirable win trading couldn't really exist. Ideally the PVP arena would be packed with competition, but at least if people are win trading someone will be available to meet me in a match should I form my own PVP party. Even if they're over-geared it'll be more fun than just queuing for hours.

Ultimately I'm against win trading, but I'm sure many win traders would also prefer to have some healthy competition. We should try to at least sympathize because what motivation do these guys have to invest hours upon hours doing legit battles with each other when there is no sign of any other groups participating for real competition. I can't blame them for focusing on the PVP rewards over the non-existent PVP gameplay in this case.

I hope the devs can bring PVP to life, but unfortunately I don't have a suggestion for that since the new gear seems to have not had the desired effect.

[Nalien]

Yes. Some people will.

Key word here. Some will, sure. All of them though? Nope.

If you have 80 people doing PvP "properly", and 160 off in their own little bubble win trading, if you pop that bubble and some leave, you're still going to have a fair amount joining the rest of us. Even if 75% of them out right quit PvP, that's still more people queue for real matches, which is a positive. I really doubt it would negatively impact the rest of us, unless people really would just AFK for a loss instead, though even that can be spun as a positive. More people queue, albeit to AFK and lose, means shorter queue times, and while it would suck to have someone AFK on your team, it doesn't for the opposite team (unless they too have someone AFKing, in which its an equal field).

[Jaykos]

How do people even know that win trading is going on??? Do they have their cool vanity armour before you do? Maybe they just grinded harder and put in more time then you have.

[Merle]

I'm going to be honest. I hate pvp, but i like some pvp gear. IF (if, if, if, if, if, if) i really wanted to get that gear for GLAMOUR i would try the wintrade thing because i don't want to waste time doing pvp (the less the better). I'd be on "my own happy world" with 7 other guys, not hindering normal pvp players. I would get my gear, glamour it and goodbye pvp. No harm done.

[Elim]

Key word here. Some will, sure. All of them though? Nope.

(had to cut short due to limits)

Those 180 could do normal PvP every day and only spend an hour or two win-trading. So loosing any of them is still a loss. You also forget that some people wont bother getting into PvP in the first place unless there's a quick way to get geared and able to fight on an even level with the vets. Take away the "quick way" aka win-trading, loose out on those people as well.

I honestly could careless if they made it against the rules, but instead of giving people another reason not to PvP, how about the devs spend their time improving the system? It needs a lot of help.

[Nalien]

Those 180 could do normal PvP every day and only spend an hour or two win-trading. So loosing any of them is still a loss. You also forget that some people wont bother getting into PvP in the first place unless there's a quick way to get geared and able to fight on an even level with the vets. Take away the "quick way" aka win-trading, loose out on those people as well.

If they only win trade for an hour or two, then if they cannot win trade, that is potentially an hour or two extra they can spend in proper PvP matches, so again, a positive. The only people really likely to out right stop are those who need an easy way, and I really doubt those are the ones doing PvP properly when they're not win trading, anyway. The players who play properly and win trade are not the ones likely to stop outright if win trading goes away.

I honestly could careless if they made it against the rules, but how about instead of giving some people a reason not to PvP, how about the devs spend their time improving the system instead? It needs a lot of help.

I agree. Like I've said, win trading is really just a symptom.