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  1. #821
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    Every secret, ???
    Every secret, every odyssey
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  2. #822
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteltain View Post
    ???
    Twisted and broken, no words left unspoken
    Pretty sure the ??? is "Thirsty for war".

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteltain View Post
    You're living a lie, screaming in fear
    HungryChad's interpretation on YouTube goes with "And leaving the lies, leaving the fear". I'm straining to hear an "S" as in "screaming" while listening to the song, especially since this lyric is sung so quickly and with syncopation.
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  3. #823
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteltain View Post
    ???
    Twisted and broken, no words left unspoken
    Journey's end
    As I ascend[/hb]
    To add to what Dikatis said, I have some alternative interpretations, though who knows what's right and what isn't, given that the "???" section is easily the most unintelligible part of the entire song.

    It's possible that the "???" could be "pride, greed, thirsty (thirsting?) for more." That would fall in line pretty neatly with the bit about greed.

    I also wonder if "journey's end" isn't instead "journeys end" (without the apostrophe). As in, other people's journeys are brought to an abrupt end as Athena carves out a path to godhood.
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  4. #824
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    I was trying to hear the lyrics last night and interpret them and found this thread. from what i can tell, anabasis means "to ascend" (like a staircase literally, but also in knowledge or spirit philosophically) and to "march forward" but also it's the term for when the initial symptoms of a disease worsen into later symptoms. So like, when you have the plague and your cough becomes boils, that's anabasis. -eion is roughly "place of" and often used in the context of places or objects of gathering, ceremony or manufacturing. It can also mean "instrument by which it is accomplished" so you get twoish meanings if you're really loose with it: "place where worsening sickness is manufactured" or "instrument to reach ascension" and mixtures of those two interpretations. eios is the adjective form of eion, so this may be a grammatical error (or it sounded cooler)

    there's also the literary/military reference. anabasis is a march inwards from the outskirts to the center, which is the player's course through the facility.

    Edit:
    Just went through with izotope RX (I work in audio repair for tv postproduction and audio forensics, funnily enough) and the lyrics posted before look about right, but I'm pretty sure that it's "choking" and not "sucking" There IS an S for screaming, it's right here:
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    Last edited by MinaM; 05-27-2023 at 12:54 PM.

  5. #825
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    This is my interpretation of the lyrics. There's still some parts that are kinda ??? but I think they're mostly here, thankfully the vocals much less obfuscated than other songs
    Soul laid bare
    Foul and fair

    Every secret, every odyssey
    Answers unfold
    One with the truth
    Defined

    By my guiding hand
    Perfected they stand
    I won't be denied, you were mine
    You were blind, a fool to the end
    Cast down forevermore

    I create
    Manipulate your kind in my image
    My chosen ones
    For you, the time has come
    The sun is setting

    Say goodnight
    With each bite does your sanity die
    Sucking the life out, letting the dark
    Inside
    Say a prayer as the light leaves your eyes
    Or scream all you like, your gods can't hear you

    Say goodnight
    To weakness that you hide behind
    Leaving the lies, leaving the fear
    Inside
    Never once were you truly alive
    So scream all you want, no one can hear you

    (PANDÆMONIUM)

    Pride, Greed
    In mud thrive these seeds
    Wanton and reeking
    The fruits of your making
    Testify
    Come take a bite

    (PANDÆMONIUM)

    Pride, Greed
    Sins we have borne
    Twisted and broken
    And words left unspoken
    Journey's end
    As I ascend!

    (PANDÆMONIUM)

    Here I rise
    Clear, my cries

    Every moment, every sacrifice
    In Anabaseios
    I am the truth
    Defined

    By my guiding hand
    Perfected they stand
    I won't be denied, you were mine
    You were blind, a fool to the end
    Cast down forevermore

    I create
    Manipulate your kind in my image
    My chosen ones
    For you, the time has come
    The sun is setting

    Say goodnight
    With each bite does your sanity die
    Sucking the life out, letting the dark
    Inside
    Say a prayer as the light leaves your eyes
    Or scream all you like, your gods can't hear you

    Say goodnight
    To weakness that you hide behind
    Leaving the lies, leaving the fear
    Inside
    Never once were you truly alive
    So scream all you want, no one can hear you

    Dark horizons, boiling seas
    From the borders chaos bleeds

    Savage nobles, cultured thieves
    Here be lions, follow me

    (PANDÆMONIUM)

    Pride, Greed
    In mud thrive these seeds
    Wanton and reeking
    The fruits of your making
    Testify
    Come take a bite

    (PANDÆMONIUM)

    Pride, Greed
    Sins we have borne
    Twisted and broken
    And words left unspoken
    Journey's end
    As I ascend!

    (PANDÆMONIUM)
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  6. #826
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    choking:
    https://clyp.it/omjfs0t0?token=eee54...c68ef68c2714f1

    there is no evidence of an S in the full song spectrogram in this area, but there is the bottom of a Ch (lower in frequency than an S) because of the band pass on the vocals. you can also hear pretty clearly now that the first vowel in that word is a long o

    edit:
    i was able to get a clearer spectrogram out of the part of the song with no drums and bassline, because the drones don't cross center. this is actually an F i think, and a d after that! It's "feeding the fear"
    https://clyp.it/0r225xe4?token=bf3c9...52479f49988ae3

    and i see 3 discrete syllables for the part before that. it's hard to hear, but it's probably "believing the lies" the "be" is just weirdly early because of the syncopation of the singing, so it's "be-lieving". so the full line is probably "believing the lies, feeding the fear inside"

    another thing that's up in the air is during the final time that it says "scream all you like, your gods can't hear you" it seems that the bottom of the s in gods and the lower half of the t are missing, so this line might be "scream all you like, your god can hear you" (referring to herself) only during that portion of the song, or that's just the band pass cutting the sibilant consonants out. i hesitate to do any more filtering than this. It's possible AI could remove more of the instrumental, but because of how it works it may synthesize "false" syllables. i really try to avoid using AI in forensic tasks for this reason. Even using it on white noise will generate "ghosts" of syllables.

    Going thru the whole song now, pretty sure that line is "their hopes left unspoken" but it could also be words, hard to tell even with the filtering.

    it could also be "roots of your making" which doesn't make sense in the context of the rest of the song at all, and it also conflicts with the official lyrics of hic svnt leones, but there is also no evidence of an F at all. It's probably fruits though, the F probably got gated out during the vocal assembly portion of the mixing process.

    it's probably also "claim my prize" and not "clear, my cries"

    So far, i've stepped through and here's what I hear and see on the spectrogram. I'll put positively identified syllables in the spectrogram but unidentified words in brackets.

    Soul laid bare
    Foul and fair

    Every secret, every odyssey
    Answers unfold
    One with the truth
    Defined

    By my guiding hand
    Perfected they stand
    I won't be denied, you were mine
    You were blind, a fool 'til the end
    Cast down forevermore

    I create
    Manipulate your kind in my image
    My chosen ones
    For you, the time has come
    The sun is setting

    Say goodnight
    With each bite does your sanity die
    Choking the life out, letting the dark
    Inside
    Say a prayer as the light leaves your eyes
    Or scream all you like, your gods can't hear you

    Say goodnight
    To weakness that you hide behind
    Believing the lies, feeding the fear
    Inside
    Never once were you truly alive
    So scream all you like, no one can hear you

    (PAN DAE MO NI UM)

    Pride, Greed
    In mud thrive these seeds
    Rotten and reeking
    The roots of your making
    Testify
    Come take a bite

    (PAN DAE MO NI UM)

    Pride, Greed
    [S] [F] [T] (wood or war) (? maybe referring to gnarled branches? it could genuinely be "softening our wood" which while it makes perfect sense in the context of the song would be...pretty funny)
    Twisted and broken
    Their hopes left unspoken
    Journeys end
    As I ascend!

    (PAN DAE MO NI UM)

    Here I rise
    Claim my prize

    Every moment, every sacrifice
    In Anabaseios
    I am the truth
    Defined

    By my guiding hand
    Perfected they stand
    I won't be denied, you were mine
    You were blind, a fool to the end
    Cast down forevermore

    I create
    Manipulate your kind in my image
    My chosen ones
    For you, the time has come
    The sun is setting

    Say goodnight
    With each bite does your sanity die
    Choking the life out, letting the dark
    Inside
    Say a prayer as the light leaves your eyes
    Or scream all you like, your gods can't hear you

    Say goodnight
    To weakness that you hide behind
    Believing the lies, feeding the fear
    Inside
    Never once were you truly alive
    So scream all you like, no one can hear you

    Dark horizons, boiling seas
    From the borders chaos bleeds

    Savage nobles, cultured thieves
    Here be lions, follow me

    (PAN DAE MO NI UM)

    Pride, Greed
    In mud thrive these seeds
    Rotten and reeking
    The roots of your making
    Testify
    Come take a bite

    (PAN DAE MO NI UM)

    Pride, Greed
    [S] [F] [T] (wood or war)
    Twisted and broken
    Their hopes left unspoken
    Journeys end
    As I ascend!

    (PAN DAE MO NI UM)
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    Last edited by MinaM; 05-28-2023 at 06:09 AM.

  7. #827
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    My personal take on it is the second verse doesn't sound like 'odyssey' to me, but actually sounds like 'honesty', which, fits the idea of what
    Athena
    is singing about ('divine truth' and all that). Of course grammatically the use of 'honesty' in that way is not really correct and it's use there does sound odd when another synonym would have been better, but then FFXIV song lyrics often are not fully grammatically correct English but have to fit the music. And it's just my own interpretation, so take from that what you will.

    As for the other line that is unclear, I agree with Marche100 that it definetely sounds like a repeat of the first line of the previous verse, once again reprising the lyric from Hic Svnt Leones - "Pride, greed", and then changes the next part of the line to "thirsting for more", which again, makes sense from the context of the verse.

    But until we get confirmation one way or the other, it really could be anything.
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  8. #828
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    My personal take on it is the second verse doesn't sound like 'odyssey' to me, but actually sounds like 'honesty'
    Regarding this, I think it'd be just as fitting for it to be "odyssey". An odyssey is a series of trials and tribulations that one goes through on a grueling journey. It's named after Odysseus from the titular epic poem, who was favored by
    Athena
    for his wisdom and cunning. Given that the villain is studying WoL to perfect their ambition to become a god, understanding WoL's struggles and the source of their strength makes perfect sense.
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  9. #829
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikatis View Post
    Regarding this, I think it'd be just as fitting for it to be "odyssey". An odyssey is a series of trials and tribulations that one goes through on a grueling journey. It's named after Odysseus from the titular epic poem, who was favored by
    Athena
    for his wisdom and cunning. Given that the villain is studying WoL to perfect their ambition to become a god, understanding WoL's struggles and the source of their strength makes perfect sense.
    After listening to this on and off throughout the week, I'm leaning more towards "Every secret, every awe to see". I had been thinking "honesty", like Enkidoh, but I could never hear the "t". And "odyssey" didn't make much sense to me for a similar reason to what Enkidoh said. Plus, if you're revealing everything within someone's soul, uncovering secrets and things that inspire awe make sense.
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  10. #830
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteltain View Post
    After listening to this on and off throughout the week, I'm leaning more towards "Every secret, every awe to see". I had been thinking "honesty", like Enkidoh, but I could never hear the "t". And "odyssey" didn't make much sense to me for a similar reason to what Enkidoh said. Plus, if you're revealing everything within someone's soul, uncovering secrets and things that inspire awe make sense.
    That's definitely possible! Like it's been said before, these songs can often have odd grammar and vocabulary choices. I could definitely see this being the lyric!
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