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    Thank You, Ferne, for write/translate one more super nice lyrics for the song
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    Susan Calloway cleared it up in a response to my youtube post. Dragonsong lyrics are:

    Children of the land do you hear
    Echoes of truths that once rang clear
    Two souls intertwined
    Children of the land do you hear
    Echoes of truths that once rang clear
    Two souls intertwined
    One true love they did find
    Bringing land and heavens near
    But flames that burn full bright, soon fell dark
    Memories dimmed by shadowed hearts
    In the waxing gloom did wane the lover's moon
    Watching as their worlds drift apart
    One soul's cry
    A passion dwelling within
    Sacrifice, a final plea to her kin
    Yet this bond of hope, by treachery was broke
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    And the latter half since apparently I have a thousand character limit on posts:

    Scattering her words to the wind
    Swelling over long,
    seas of blood, are a song
    And death an afterthought
    To those who fight for naught
    A throne, lying empty
    A reign, incomplete
    Alone, for eternity
    A pain, without cease
    Children of the land, answer this
    Why must you turn to empty bliss
    Tell me why break trust, why turn the past to dust
    Seeking solace in the abyss
    Tell me why create, a circle none can break
    Why must you let go, the life you were bestowed
    This I fear I'll never know
    Never know
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbluesky View Post
    And the latter half since apparently I have a thousand character limit on posts:
    You can circumvent this by keeping your post under 1,000 characters, then editing it. With an edit, you can make it however long you'd like it to be.

    Thanks for clarifying the official lyrics; I'm glad Susan's always checking in on XIV and Distant Worlds crowds. It was a pleasant surprise seeing her name come up as the piano started; leaving Answers behind as we move past "season one" is a lot less bittersweet with her along for the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarDrake View Post
    So yeah, I think this is all Hydaelyn (especially with that shot at the end of the video),
    Unless my video is really bad, it looked like the scene with the Mothercrystal was an Echo. So Im not sure if it is her.
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    If you look closely a number of scenes in that video appear to be Echoes - such as the shot with the DRG in silver armour who picks up a helm - the footage is more washed out and grainy than the rest of the video, meaning it's highly likely to be an Echo vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Most of the song seems to imply that Shiva was the original, rightful ruler of Ishgard and was in love with a dragon (Nidhogg?), but someone (my best guess is the famed Thordan and his Knights Twelve, possibly being influenced / possessed by the Ascians) did the whole poking out Nidhogg's Eye thing. Shiva then sacrificed herself to try to quell Nidhogg's fury, but those same perpetrators betrayed her and/or the dragons, leading to the millennium-long Dragonsong War.

    Midgardsormr implies the Ishgardians are about to do something terrible again, something we (as players) know is likely being influenced by the Ascians. This is implicitly what sparked Nidhogg's reinvigoration of the War, though we don't yet know what that terrible sin is.

    I can't quite figure out what the "second verse" means:

    Children of the land, answer this
    Why must you turn to empty bliss
    Tell me why break trust, why turn the past to dust
    Seeking solace in the abyss
    Tell me why create, a circle none can break
    Why must you let go, the life you were bestowed
    This I fear I'll never know
    Never know
    This part's a bit ambiguous, but as it refers to the "children of the land" I'm inclined to believe it's directly addressing the Warrior(s) of Light; specifically, Hydaelyn asking why they're doing what they're doing. Specifically, it seems to ask why we're willing to settle for a hollow, empty victory that perpetuates a cycle; whether she's referring to the Dragonsong War or the overarching Astral / Umbral cycle we can't yet know.
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    Time for some lyrical analysis!

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    "Children of the land do you hear
    Echoes of truths that once rang clear"

    This truth is something that has since been distorted (if it "once rang clear," it stands to reason it no longer does so).

    "Two souls intertwined
    One true love they did find
    Bringing land and heavens near"

    This truth mentioned above is about a love that could have joined the heavens and earth. Clear implication would be Shiva and a dragon. Though, I think that to join heavens and earth, it would almost have to be an important figure from both. I dunno, maybe I'm reading too much into this part, but I think Shiva's pre-heretic importance comes up again. . .

    "But flames that burn full bright, soon fell dark
    Memories dimmed by shadowed hearts"

    Memories of what? Surely not of the love, because the love winds up broken by treachery from outside in a few lines. If the song is chronological (and I can't think why it wouldn't be), these memories are dimmed before the final plea, which means they must be of an event that predates it long enough for memories to be dimmed. I'll try not to read too much into the line about shadowed hearts and waxing gloom, but it certainly gives me pause. . .

    "In the waxing gloom did wane the lover's moon
    Watching as their worlds drift apart"

    The encroaching darkness drives a wedge between the two's cultures. If I'm reading it right, a central part of this darkness would be the distortion of the past. . .

    "One soul's cry
    A passion dwelling within
    Sacrifice, a final plea to her kin"

    Shiva, seeing the darkness for what it is, cries out to her kin not to embrace it. The question is, did she ask them to sacrifice, or did she stake the plea on her own sacrifice? The lyric could be read either way, and either could make sense, and either could fit with the next line. . .

    "Yet this bond of hope, by treachery was broke
    Scattering her words to the wind"

    An initial reading says that the bond is the love between Shiva and the dragon. I still favor that reading, but I have to acknowledge that it could be saying there was a brief turning back by the Ishgardians that was then shattered. I prefer the former reading, but have nothing to rule out the latter. One thing of note is the element of treachery. This isn't just her kin ignoring her cries. Someone close would have had to turn against her for it to be "treachery," I'd say.

    Knowing what I do of some of the more. . ."traditional" responses to heresy and apostasy, I very much suspect Shiva would have been put to death, though I have no lines of the game text to point to confirming that. That said, I also wouldn't count putting her to death for heresy as "treachery," even if this is before the war started (I can think of setups where I would call it that, but without more information they don't stand). At this point, it's hard to say what the treachery would have been, but part of the result seems to have been Shiva's death (or at least a severing of ties with the Dravanians, but I assume death).

    "Swelling over long,
    seas of blood, are a song
    And death an afterthought
    To those who fight for naught"

    Here I think we start getting some double meanings. Specifically, I think the word "song" used here references the dragon's desire for retribution:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midgardsormr
    Seven children did I sire. One now singeth of retribution. I rise to join in the chorus...
    As for "those who fight for naught," I suspect it refers to both sides. Many of the dragons would be brought in based only on the betrayal of one, and the Ishgardians who are continuing to fight after so many generations that none of them truly remembers the reason the war started. For the Ishgardians, a holy war means that death (while not preferable) is honorable. For a dragon mourning his love, what would death be but a surcease?

    "A throne, lying empty
    A reign incomplete
    Alone, for eternity
    A pain, without cease"

    At first I was going to split this into two couplets, but I think they're too closely tied. I assume that the empty throne is on the dragon side, simply because I don't see any sort of leadership position that would be empty on the Ishgard side. But, I do think the throne is one Shiva was supposed to occupy, so it could be on either side. That said, the lines "Alone for eternity, a pain without cease" is definitely about the dragon. So the question becomes, how closely tied are these two couplets? Was Shiva meant to take even a symbolic role among the dragons?

    Also, the part about "a reign incomplete". . . I'm taking this to be something along the lines of "My reign is incomplete without X," where X could be an achievement or a person. Combined with the other lines, of course, I lean towards it referring to an incompleteness because Shiva is absent. But then, the only person that could claim an eternal reign (pretty much confirmed, at least) would be Midgardsormr and (unconfirmed) maybe his first brood. Which leads back to "Was it Shiva and Nidhogg?"

    "Children of the land, answer this
    Why must you turn to empty bliss"

    This part I'm not sure about. I mean, would anyone describe the Ishgardians' situation over the last thousand years "bliss"? I mean, I admit I'm making the assumption that the singer is still speaking only to Ishgard, but even if not, the rest of Eorzea has been far from blissful.

    Perhaps it's a reference to their initial decision to break trust with the dragons? I guess no one would have made the decision to start a war knowing it would last a thousand years? I can only assume they would have thought it would lead to prosperity at some point. Seriously, of all the lines, I think this one is the one giving me the most trouble. >_>

    "Tell me why break trust, why turn the past to dust
    Seeking solace in the abyss"

    This couplet I think summarizes the song overall. Shiva was betrayed, the past was systematically erased (calling back to the opening lines--the truth no longer rings clear), and the Ishgardians seek (unknowingly at this point) to end the whole ordeal with death. Their own or their enemy's, either way is solace.

    "Tell me why create, a circle none can break
    Why must you let go, the life you were bestowed
    This I fear I'll never know
    Never know"

    The "circle none can break" I believe refers to Ishgard's current state. Probably both to its physical defenses walling it off from the outside world and to its policies of isolation. As for the life they were bestowed, the singer seems to be lamenting the bleak life faced by the Ishgardians. Sure, their forefathers led them to this fate, but it's still sobering to think how much richer their lives could be if they could set aside the war and open their borders.

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    Thoughts? Opinions? Have I completely misunderstood something? Am I reaching too far into conjecture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    "One soul's cry
    A passion dwelling within
    Sacrifice, a final plea to her kin"

    Shiva, seeing the darkness for what it is, cries out to her kin not to embrace it. The question is, did she ask them to sacrifice, or did she stake the plea on her own sacrifice? The lyric could be read either way, and either could make sense, and either could fit with the next line. . .

    "Yet this bond of hope, by treachery was broke
    Scattering her words to the wind"

    An initial reading says that the bond is the love between Shiva and the dragon. I still favor that reading, but I have to acknowledge that it could be saying there was a brief turning back by the Ishgardians that was then shattered. I prefer the former reading, but have nothing to rule out the latter. One thing of note is the element of treachery. This isn't just her kin ignoring her cries. Someone close would have had to turn against her for it to be "treachery," I'd say.
    I think this part meant that Shiva wanted to show Ishgardians that they could live with the dragons in a way that would sacrifice her own life but didn't work because she was betrayed.
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    Wall of Crazy Incoming:

    Children of the land do you hear
    Echoes of truths that once rang clear
    The truth that we once hear was that peace between the draconic horde and humans (children of the land, I think, are referring to all non dragons.) were at one time a reality, and are no longer. We now hear the echoes of that by learning from Iceheart and Midgardsommr that things aren’t exactly as they appear.

    Two souls intertwined
    One true love they did find
    Bringing land and heavens near
    Likely this refers to the love between a dragon and a human, and that love leading to the understanding that the five races and the draconic horde can get along. The ‘land’ and ‘heavens’ being symbolic of the peoples, one capable of flight, one not.

    But flames that burn full bright, soon fell dark
    Memories dimmed by shadowed hearts
    What flames? Wild speculation, but possibly of an alliance, but more likely simply of peace. Keep in mind that the distances involved, the lack of travel or linkpearl communications in the past, perhaps time and space led to the memories of an alliance with the draconic horde simply fading away… the shadowed hearts being the Acsions, who know doubt helped the dimming of memory along.

    In the waxing gloom did wane the lover's moon
    Watching as their worlds drift apart
    Perhaps not literally, but referring to the spirits of the first lovers. Assuming that the human did not become immortal, perhaps the dragon in the relationship chose to pass into the lifestream with their lover. Or based on lines below, perhaps they simply communicated with one another after death.

    One soul's cry
    A passion dwelling within
    Sacrifice, a final plea to her kin
    Yet this bond of hope, by treachery was broke
    Scattering her words to the wind
    Perhaps (assuming the lover was Shiva), this refers to her summoning, in one last effort to rekindle the union between man and the draconic horde. Sacrifice on the part of the summoner, destroyed by treachery, either from within humankinds own flaws, or once again by the Ascians.


    Swelling over long,
    seas of blood, are a song
    And death an afterthought
    To those who fight for naught
    This would refer to the cycle of vengeance between dragons and Ishgard, or more generally any conflict spurred on by the Ascians.

    A throne, lying empty
    A reign, incomplete
    Alone, for eternity
    A pain, without cease
    I would guess the last two lines refer to the dragon in the relationship, who is alone. And the loss of love is often a source of pain in many creative works. The dragon may be unkillable, like Midgardsommr, but in the ‘dead’ state can speak or talk to their love in the lifestream.

    Children of the land, answer this
    Why must you turn to empty bliss
    Tell me why break trust, why turn the past to dust
    Seeking solace in the abyss
    I really don’t have any speculation about ‘empty bliss’. However, breaking trust and turning the past to dust likely refer back to the original peace between Ishgard and dragons. Once again, I am not sure what is meant by the last line. It seems to relate to ‘empty bliss, solace of the abyss, and letting go the life you where bestowed’. Perhaps the singer, being immortal, does not understand why the ‘children of the land’, the five races, spend their short lives running headlong to their deaths? Perhaps the singer is of such an alien mindset they just don’t grasp the mortal mindset.

    Tell me why create, a circle none can break
    Why must you let go, the life you were bestowed
    This I fear I'll never know
    Never know
    Circle again refers to the cycle of revenge, which leads to much death. The singer, I think, is neither dragon nor of Ishgard, since they seem to be looking on over the conflict, rather than taking an active part. At the same time, it must be someone immortal, or at least very longed lived, since to most the Dragonsong War is one of survival… Any one of the Five races of Eorzia belive the dragons simply another beast tribe, and would likely view the war as one of survival on the part of the Ishgardians.
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