The Atma Stigma

[Nomad-phx]

i started mine day 3 of update and have gotten 2 so far lol i always thought they made atma the way they did in those particular areas so vets would mingle with newer players especially after they added ps4 playerbase but i could be 150% wrong

[Caiera]

I'm enjoying my quest for ATMA's
Sure, it takes time, that is the point, you're working hard to get something nice at the end of it
It's not a requirement to do this quest, only if you want to upgrade your Relic Weapon
i only started my quest on Saturday and currently have 10 ATMA's
Only 2 to go woohoo!!

[SorriorDragneel]

i started mine day 3 of update and have gotten 2 so far lol i always thought they made atma the way they did in those particular areas so vets would mingle with newer players especially after they added ps4 playerbase but i could be 150% wrong

I figured the same thing honestly. And for THAT they deserve praise..Just the RNG aspect is well..TOO RNG.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Seriously? Its been proven time and time again that character progression is needed in order for people to stay playing a certain mmo. Without said progression, people will simply stop playing because there's very little to keep a person there without a feeling of advancement or "getting stronger". I've heard the argument of "if you don't raid, then why do you need gear?" more often than I care to remember, and it holds no more weight than the first time it was uttered. The relic reborn quest was supposed to have been the answer for people who don't have access to high end progression, so that they would have a comparable weapon that would be acceptable should they decide to move into progression.

My personal issue with the atma/animus part of the relic is the fact that I don't have much time (work and being a single father) and due to both, my schedule is erratic. Joining a static would be a juggling act, at best, on my part and a gamble on theirs. So personal progression through endgame content is confined to what's in party finder at the time, and admittedly slow when you're fairly new to the content(hit 50 after 2.2 dropped). So I have to rely on myth/soldiery gear and the relic weapon to progress. The problem with that being, the atma/animus part of the relic quest is such a timesink, it will literally take me months to get it done in it's current form, given my schedule. So yes, I am considering stopping payment on this game until the next patch hits (given the patch is casual friendly) since, in it's current state, the relic quest would take up too much of what little time I have.

To those who have persevered, I don't belittle your efforts in the least. Understand that there are those of us, however, that only have 4-5 hours a week to play, not day.

This is what I was looking to see. A legitimate reason behind the issue with hours. I'm sorry you don't have much time to play, but being a single father is far more important than a game. I shouldn't even have to say/write that.

It certainly seems like atmas weren't meant to be casual-friendly. Though this is due to the fact players complained there weren't any long-term goals in the game pre-2.2(5).

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

I'm enjoying my quest for ATMA's
Sure, it takes time, that is the point, you're working hard to get something nice at the end of it
It's not a requirement to do this quest, only if you want to upgrade your Relic Weapon
i only started my quest on Saturday and currently have 10 ATMA's
Only 2 to go woohoo!!

Yeah. Managed to snag 2 yesterday/today within a 20 minute interval. 5/12 on the second go.

[Elven]

No matter how you dress RNG up it's still junk anyway you look at it.

[MogBeatr]

The elation I felt when I saw that last atma pop up on screen was overwhelming. I broke down in tears and collapsed on the floor in convulsions. I am still recovering.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

The elation I felt when I saw that last atma pop up on screen was overwhelming. I broke down in tears and collapsed on the floor in convulsions. I am still recovering.

My immediate reaction when I got my final one on the first set was:

[SongJoohee]

Here's the problem, and it's very well known, it's RNG, I can't stress how that's the problem enough, and not the time investment.

You main argument seems to be comparing it to proper content in the game, here's the main difference:

Every time we failed at Titan EX, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 6, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 7, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 8, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we fail at Turn 9, it's because we make a mistake.

See the pattern? Every time we fail at every other piece of content in the game, it's because of something we have done wrong, the very opposite can be said for Atma.

Every time I fail to get an Atma, it's because RNG.

You can be doing everything right, Zenith equipped, getting Golds, hitting as many FATEs as you can, and if RNG determines it so, you're NOT going to get your Atma.

Most (not all) the people I've seen defending this quest are people who got lucky those who get all the Atmas in a couple of days. I would definitely like to see how their opinions change if they got unlucky, like myself and many friends, those of us who have spent over 24 hours in one zone to get one atma, and then, almost insultingly, you have those who get lucky, and get all 12 Atmas in that same time frame.

I am more than willing to invest hundreds of hours into obtaining my weapon, but it shouldn't be dependent on RNG, taking some players 12 hours, and other players 12 days.

[Mcshiggs]

rabble rabble rabble

If you kill Titan EX, the accessory you wanted didn't drop, so you leave with nothing, is that still because you did something wrong?

You are making it seem if you don't get your atma, then you are failing, you are successful at the fates, it's just that the loot is RNG, just like primals and coil turns. I know you will say something along the lines of, "Well if we clear a coil turn, something drops for the group, so it helps us as a unit." Well that is going off the assumption that everyone runs in static groups, and primals and coil require a group, you can solo your fates. Now let's look at loot from Titan EX, you have a 1/5 chance of the loot you want to drop, and a 1/8 chance that you will get that loot, my math may be off but to me that seems like a 2-3% chance that you will get the loot you are after, and people are saying atma drop rates are around 2%, for me I have about a 5% drop rate, so the atma drop rate is around the same as getting what you want from EX primals. Now of course with the primal loot there are some things you can do up your chances a bit, like going on the job for the loot you are after, setting up you own parties and excluding others after the same loot, that kind of stuff, but again, atma farming has the benefits of not being able to up your drop chances, but the advantage of not needing 7 other people, so it is open to farm anytime you are on regardless of anyone else, it is all on you.