The Atma Stigma

[Mark83x]

ludicrous drop rate. Wish i had never even attempted it. 20 hours , over 20 thousand flame seals from the fates and zero atma,
Such a massive waste of time.
Then ofcourse theres the myth grind. You either wait forever too find a party that is doing 2 bosses, or you join a random group and earn soldiery that you cant collect because of the cap.
And before you even get that far into game, the quests are unbelievable, pick up quest, ride Chocobo for a minute, do 5 seconds worth of stuff, run back, sent too new zone. Talk to this guy , go back where you started.
An hour running around per 5 minutes of content, and thats only if your a slow reader.
Id rather write this a hundred more times than take another chocobo ride too vesper bay.
Long story short.I quit. Whats fun about farming the same easy fates and the same "hard mode"(whats hard about them?) dungeons HUNDREDS of times too be able too play end game content?
Nothing, boring and tedious waste of time .

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

She is not refusing to work for something, Shes refusing to support an RNG system that has absolutely no reward. Your Relic changes colors. whoopty doo. Theres no skill, No challenge in Farming Fate after Fate of low lvl fates. I dont mind things taking a long time, i played XI, i got multiple Relics in there, it took a LONG LONG time, but i was ALWAYs making progress. I could go into a Dynamis Run and ill get Currency towards my goal. its something i can track, it's something i can anticipate. But with the Atma system, i could spend day nd days and not make any progress, lvl 10 Companion already, so im literally gaining nothing from spamming these low level Fates.
The Books after Atma? Great, it's substantial, its something with a clear goal and its something you can get constant progress on by putting in the time, i Like the book system.
we're not asking for SE to hand us anything, we're asking them to give us something substantial, something that we can Mark off progress for whenever we decide to work on it
(By the By, i got all 12 Atmas in 2 or 3 days, so im not whining just because it took a long time, so try another argument.)

No reward? So once you get all 12 atmas that's it? If that were the case then no one would do it. the reward is upgrading your relic weapon. It seems like people just want instant gratification. You played FFXI, wasn't the whole idea of the relic weapon something done for the LONG run?

And congrats on getting 12 in 2-3 days. I've only gotten one atma set since they were introduced, so that's what, a month? As I posted before, that's your circumstances, has nothing to do with me. More power to people getting atmas, regardless of how long it takes.

Also, how are you not able to track your progress when clearly items are placed into your inventory, thus signifying you no longer need to hunt said item?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Atmas don't do anything other than giving your weapon a slightly new coat of paint. Animus is where you get to see the weapon really shine in stat boosts. You keep saying instant gratification every time someone complains, but I got a feeling you're just saying that towards anyone who don't like how progression and RNG are mixed together. Many have given suggestions on other ways to make Atmas challenging to get but less reliant on RNG drops, yet they're still branded as people who either "want everything with no work" or "lol FF11". I gotten all 12 of my Atmas and I still found them to be BS, not to mention the new Allagan weapons are not only better than the Animus weapons, but are, in a sense, easier to get. How does that make any sense?



Hell, despite Square outright stating that the number of people who gotten Animus is extremely low and that the patch containing Novus is getting delayed until they can figure out a way to redo the Animus quest line, Why aren't more people posting angrily that the scrubs complaining about Atma are holding their future content back?

[Duuude007]

the patch containing Novus is getting delayed until they can figure out a way to redo the Animus quest line, Why aren't more people posting angrily that the scrubs complaining about Atma are holding their future content back?

Please, show me where you got this specific quote.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

Atmas don't do anything other than giving your weapon a slightly new coat of paint.

Wrong. They allow you to begin the Animus quests.

You keep saying instant gratification every time someone complains, but I got a feeling you're just saying that towards anyone who don't like how progression and RNG are mixed together.

Because it simply is. They want everything to be as easy as getting the original relic. Which you must realize as of now is a joke what with the echo boost. Even without it, Titan HM is still a joke.

Many have given suggestions on other ways to make Atmas challenging to get but less reliant on RNG drops, yet they're still branded as people who either "want everything with no work" or "lol FF11". I gotten all 12 of my Atmas and I still found them to be BS, not to mention the new Allagan weapons are not only better than the Animus weapons, but are, in a sense, easier to get. How does that make any sense?

How is grinding through X00 amount of FATEs any less challenging than doing Brayflox HM 300 times? I even know people who don't do Bray SRs because they're so tired of it. In the end, we end up with the community getting Goldilocks syndrome, i.e. "this porridge is too hot/cold," but it will never be "just right." As I posted earlier, how would people feel, spending all their time grinding for atmas, only to be told "next month we're giving everyone all 12 atmas for free via moogle mail!" ? And how is getting the Allagan/Tidal weapons not RNG? You're not guaranteed the drop you want, and even if you did happen to come upon the drop you want, there's always a chance someone may be playing the same class as you who also wants said drop, so you'd have to roll against them on the item, thus forcing another RNG component to decide who gets what.

Some people want RNG, some people don't. I'm neither for or against it. What I'm in favor of is sticking through how the game is designed, albeit it being a poorly thought out one.

Hell, despite Square outright stating that the number of people who gotten Animus is extremely low and that the patch containing Novus is getting delayed until they can figure out a way to redo the Animus quest line, Why aren't more people posting angrily that the scrubs complaining about Atma are holding their future content back?

Because they've been given word that it will come eventually. Those that have Animus just have to sit back and wait. Which, in the meantime I'm sure they're doing T7-9 already. Also, SE never said ANYTHING about nerfing the atma/animus line. What they said was they were taking all the feedback FROM the questline and figuring out how to make the Novus quests better.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/162520

I know some of our players have been looking forward to the continuation of the Zodiac Weapons quests that I mentioned in the recent letter LIVE, but the release of these new quests has been postponed. Our reasoning for this decision is, in brief:

Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon.
We would like to incorporate feedback regarding the difficulty of the Zodiac Weapon quests.
We are working to increase the number of locations where materials for the next upgrade can be obtained.

Nothing about atma/animus. Reads more about the Novus quests.

[Mark83x]

Atma , how it should be. A solo instance designed specifically for your class. difficulty depent on item level. (gear locked,so you cant join low geared and switch when in) and make it very very difficult.
If determined too make people grind, then make them grind mobs for Xamount of items too gain access too each 1.

[moudoka]

It's really easy to sit back after you have your Atma, and say "just stick with it" and so on. What people are failing to understand (for some reason) is that the entire atma system is broke. By broken, I mean it relies on a system that is dysfunctional at best, and downright evil at it's worst. I'm pushing 300 Fates with nothing. Not one Atma. I've been farming the SAME ZONE for a week. Nothing. Explain to me how this is supposed to challenge me? I'm doing only level 45-50 fates in Zan'rak, so I don't feel totally wasted de-leveling my level 50. With such a pathetically low drop rate, there is NO way of gauging progress. It's all based on the very, very terrible RNG system. Coming from someone who does not have their atma, I believe this system is complete bullshit. I play a few hours after work each day, do my beast tribe quests, and hit the fates while doing that. I've essentially got a 0% drop rate. 0. ZERO.

People need to stop defending this.

[Ferth]

It's great that you can delude yourself into engaging in really half assed content. You miss all he shots you don't take, but there is a world of difference in learning a skill and then using that skill effectively. Playing hockey is a skill and when you practice a skill you improve. Atma is the equivalent of putting a blind fold on, spinning around a few times and then trying to take a shot. There's no guarantee you are even going to hit the puck let alone get it anywhere near the goal.

Atma is nothing more than a very thinly veiled Skinner box. Which I suppose can be said about the MMO genre as a whole, these days. But atleast most other content tries to disguise it better. If you are willing to do it, bully for you. But don't try to pretend it's good or that you achieved anything. It will just make SE think this kind of crap is acceptable.

[Hulft]

I'm the only one who thinks Atmas are okay? :U
I already have Animus on my PLD, got Atma for my Monk and already have one atma for a third weapon. Oh well xP
Reinhart may have everything atma by now lol

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

It's great that you can delude yourself into engaging in really half assed content. You miss all he shots you don't take, but there is a world of difference in learning a skill and then using that skill effectively. Playing hockey is a skill and when you practice a skill you improve. Atma is the equivalent of putting a blind fold on, spinning around a few times and then trying to take a shot. There's no guarantee you are even going to hit the puck let alone get it anywhere near the goal.

Atma is nothing more than a very thinly veiled Skinner box. Which I suppose can be said about the MMO genre as a whole, these days. But atleast most other content tries to disguise it better. If you are willing to do it, bully for you. But don't try to pretend it's good or that you achieved anything. It will just make SE think this kind of crap is acceptable.

I did achieve something. I got my atma weapons. People seem to keep missing the fact that I didn't give up just because I wasn't getting the drop after X00 amounts of FATEs. I'm even working toward getting my Monk prepped for atma, and even then, I've been at it for about 3 hours each day, give or take, over the past week and only have 3 atma to show for it. But that's not discouraging me from actually doing it. If anything, I'm actually working toward the 3K FATE achievement cause I want that Paragon's Gown. Getting atmas is just a side perk now.

And how is running low-level FATEs any different than running for low-level dungeons? You're still locked out of your skill sets, you still get some small measure of reward and you're still playing with other people. If anything, FATEs seem more like they were designed for the newer type of MMO players (the ones that just want to do something fast and not be bothered with long que times or length of dungeon runs).

If this kind of "crap" wasn't "acceptable" then FFXI wouldn't still be alive. Frankly, we should all just be happy that SE decided to GIVE us FFXIV. Unlike those pricks at SEGA JP who decided they wanted to alienate their US fan base. And really, who are we to complain? I don't see any of us making an MMO for an international fan base.