The Atma Stigma

[Logo]

Here's the problem, and it's very well known, it's RNG, I can't stress how that's the problem enough, and not the time investment.

You main argument seems to be comparing it to proper content in the game, here's the main difference:

Every time we failed at Titan EX, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 6, it's because we made a mistake.
...(snip)

Every time I fail to get an Atma, it's because RNG.

You can do everything right in Titan EX, Turn 6, Turn 7, Turn 8 and Turn 9 and still not get the loot you wanted.
Because it's "RNG" also. Your odds are better. Because something is going to drop, but its still random.

You are lacking the understanding of how random works and that its a staple of video games.

The Random is the time investment. Since no skill is involved.

If you want more performance based chances at a high level weapons, do coil.

[AiChyan]

I got my last two yesterday. No happiness or whatsover, just thank god and good riddance

[krazyrs]

u dont have to compare the atma grind to get your relic progress to ffxi
you could use ffx/ffx-2/ffxii/ffxiii/ffxiii-2/ffxiii-3
its kinda their thing

there's also t5/t9/sol/levi weapons u can try your luck vs rng as well

[Kabooa]

Okay.

I think we need to clear up a few things here.

You are lumping -everyone- into one camp of "Oh they just want to have the relic weapon spoonfed to them." Let's reverse the situation. What if you were told "If you like sitting there for hours on end, repeating the same droll task over and over, and doing something that has no creativity, no engagement, and the only chance of failure is -literally- running against a time constraint and mechanical limitations (Like soloing a Stoneskin boss on a server's off-time? Good luck killing that if you're not a monk.), then you're a simpleton with no cultured taste or self respect."?

People -like- the Atma for different reasons. And none of the reasons mentioned are because it's a challenge and reflective of their ability as a player.

That said, people -don't like- the Atma for different reasons. And the one reason everyone latches on to when they come on to these forums is that "Oh they're entitled."

No. No no no no.

I (maybe others) don't like it because it is uninteresting and lazy game design. It is the very definition of the game many of us are trying to get away from. It is Warcraft in its worst form; The droll, repetitive tasks to get a piece of shiney gear. There's no sense of accomplishment, no sense of overcoming a challenge. "The challenge is patience!" No, no thanks. I spend enough of my patience on a daily basis doing things that -aren't supposed to be fun-.

When I log on to the game, I want a challenge. I want fun. I don't want to sit around doing what is literally the least entertaining thing about the game (Fates) until the magical dice roll and say "Yaaaaay, you're a winner!". And then afterwards? After you get all 12? Well it doesn't change. The dice are replaced with a ten-gallon tank that you need to fill with a teacup. Over and over again.

When it's full? They give you another tank, and a crappy generic brand oatmeal bar. And you do it again. Do it 9 times and you get a slightly less crappy brand name oatmeal bar.

Is that a casual mindset? What is a casual, entitled mindset? I would rather wipe all day on some ludicrously stupid and difficult encounter with no end in sight than deal with the Atma and the Fates.

This isn't a 'harder' relic quest. It is verging on the "Requires a maximum of two brain cells bumping into each other to complete" section of difficulty. You see someone with an Atma or an Animas, and you don't think "Wow, he must have been able to find 7 other people to take down GilgaOdinShivaAnimasRamuhFrit" or "He got carried".

You think "Wow, he got through the Atma -and- the Myth grind. [Insert subsequent thought here]" (For me, that tends to be "Lucky sod.")

I give the equivalent of 0 mother-licking !@#%s about the power of the item. The glow isn't worth the headache that doing Fates brings on, let alone doing Fates for an ultimately indeterminate amount of time. I'd rather kill a boss or make it myself. I'd rather -get the equipment by overcoming an actual challenge to my playing ability-.

"If I do this long enough, I should get something for it." is no less a ridiculous or entitled thought process than "If I do this well enough, I should get something for it."

[Vesuvias]

-snip-

Amen to that. you have said everything I have been trying to say in this thread and then some. maybe now the defenders of this moronic quest will finally understand.... i hope....

[SorriorDragneel]

If you kill Titan EX, the accessory you wanted didn't drop, so you leave with nothing, is that still because you did something wrong?

Ummm i think the issue isn;t even RNG per se but how BAD the RNG IS. There is RNG and then RNG.

[Callisto913]

Think of it this way. You are given a pistol, put into a pitch black shooting range. A target is placed somewhere at the far end, and you have to hit it 12 times. You take a shot. There's a chance you might hit it, but odds are you aren't. Now, every time you miss, the target is moved. You don't know where you shot at, or where it is now. This is what grinding for the Atmas is like. Yes, some people will get lucky and finish it quickly, but most won't. Something as simple as a progress bar would have made this a lot easier to deal with because without a clear cut goal, you're just shooting in the dark.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

You think "Wow, he got through the Atma -and- the Myth grind. [Insert subsequent thought here]" (For me, that tends to be "Lucky sod.")

It's just too bad your whole post was ruined by this one statement. Why worry about what everyone else has? Why not just be happy with what YOU have?

As far as any skills are concerned, I've actually had to think on how to manage my HP/TP properly with low-level FATEs. Not having access to the full spectrum of abilities one has at level 50 has given me insight to how to do that.

Think of it this way. You are given a pistol, put into a pitch black shooting range. A target is placed somewhere at the far end, and you have to hit it 12 times. You take a shot. There's a chance you might hit it, but odds are you aren't. Now, every time you miss, the target is moved. You don't know where you shot at, or where it is now. This is what grinding for the Atmas is like. Yes, some people will get lucky and finish it quickly, but most won't. Something as simple as a progress bar would have made this a lot easier to deal with because without a clear cut goal, you're just shooting in the dark.

Again, how is it "without a clear cut goal?" You wouldn't keep going for the same atma over and over when you already got one from the area you're in (provided you're only going FOR 1) would you?

[Chihaya]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coRtxAZh6V4

I think it's pretty good tips and opinion and I agree with it. I can stand the atma RNG but I don't "like" it.

I just finished gathering my 2nd set of atmas for my 2nd weapon. Back to myth grind.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coRtxAZh6V4

I think it's pretty good tips and opinion and I agree with it. I can stand the atma RNG but I don't "like" it.

I just finished gathering my 2nd set of atmas for my 2nd weapon. Back to myth grind.

Congrats. I'm on 11/12 of my second set. And this is what makes or breaks people: this questline is about determination. Are you really determined to get what will "become the ultimate weapon?"