The Atma Stigma

[Vesuvias]

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you missed my point. in talking specifically about atma. atma is like getting your zenith for your weapon, hell they have the same stats. now if atma was a real stat increas then ok i would be more understanding. but it isnt all you get is a higher ilvl. in addition to being able to do the books.

As for atma not having any progress im talking time wise, im like you ive been doing it since release, but have burned out 3 times now doing it. But i still dont have my atma weapon, but to give you an example of why i have so much issue with this grind is that ok a friend of mine he had animus in the first weak of release and had enough time to grind out a second atma weapon in that time period. not because this is a test of skill or dedication but because he got stupidly lucky and was able to grind it out his first atma in the first 8 hours of patch release.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

you missed my point. in talking specifically about atma. atma is like getting your zenith for your weapon, hell they have the same stats. now if atma was a real stat increas then ok i would be more understanding. but it isnt all you get is a higher ilvl. in addition to being able to do the books.

As for atma not having any progress im talking time wise, im like you ive been doing it since release, but have burned out 3 times now doing it. But i still dont have my atma weapon, but to give you an example of why i have so much issue with this grind is that ok a friend of mine he had animus in the first weak of release and had enough time to grind out a second atma weapon in that time period. not because this is a test of skill or dedication but because he got stupidly lucky and was able to grind it out his first atma in the first 8 hours of patch release.

I got your point. Atma, however, is only necessary to begin the Animus questline. But as I said before, the weapons themselves aren't even necessary to have; people have been clearing things without the use of atma/animus, so why is "I NEED IT" really necessary?

Yes, it's sheer dumb luck that you friend was able to do that. But the point is he still went through the necessary steps to do so. As I pointed out before, I'm sure he wasn't just sitting around more donuts, shootin the shit, and then suddenly 12 atma just appeared in his inventory. I'm not excusing the RNG factor, because for as much as people complain it does seem like "bullshit." What I'm getting at is people just giving up entirely because it's "too hard." Everything has its own degree of difficulty (looking at you Titan EX ¬_¬ ). But if relic weapons are eventually supposed to be the best in the game, why should it be easy to get them? That's like going to Yale and actually putting in the time and effort to graduate versus someone "buying" their Yale diploma online.

People are just getting jealous of others who have, turning this into a whole haves/have nots issue. Why worry about what someone else has? Why not just be proud of what you have and what you've achieved for yourself?

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

In the end, if they don't nerf the drop rates, some people will quit because of that.

If they DO, then you might have some people quitting because the game is "too easy."

You just can't please everyone. And quitting the game over ONE SINGLE ASPECT of it is just ludicrous. If all it takes is that one thing to make you quit, then why are you even playing? Granted, I don't want to see people leave because it hurts overall sales/profits, which in turn has the potential to end the game as a whole. I love this game and the community I've been introduced to.

[Galan]

Simple fact is it's a completely unfair boring mechanic. Being too hard or easy has NOTHING to do with it, doing low level fates endlessly is outright BORING! And the fact that some get lucky and have to nerve to say the quest is fine is outrageous. And this idea "you don't have to do it" is nonsense. It's the only way to get something better for those not privy to the very end game content.f

I have played with worse grind then this quest and NEVER complained about because this quest is total crap.

And yes i have my animus, i did the so called "work". It's nothing but a boring time sink. Key word : BORING!

[Nomad-phx]

i started mine day 3 of update and have gotten 2 so far lol i always thought they made atma the way they did in those particular areas so vets would mingle with newer players especially after they added ps4 playerbase but i could be 150% wrong

[SorriorDragneel]

i started mine day 3 of update and have gotten 2 so far lol i always thought they made atma the way they did in those particular areas so vets would mingle with newer players especially after they added ps4 playerbase but i could be 150% wrong

I figured the same thing honestly. And for THAT they deserve praise..Just the RNG aspect is well..TOO RNG.

[Elven]

No matter how you dress RNG up it's still junk anyway you look at it.

[MogBeatr]

The elation I felt when I saw that last atma pop up on screen was overwhelming. I broke down in tears and collapsed on the floor in convulsions. I am still recovering.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

The elation I felt when I saw that last atma pop up on screen was overwhelming. I broke down in tears and collapsed on the floor in convulsions. I am still recovering.

My immediate reaction when I got my final one on the first set was:

[SongJoohee]

Here's the problem, and it's very well known, it's RNG, I can't stress how that's the problem enough, and not the time investment.

You main argument seems to be comparing it to proper content in the game, here's the main difference:

Every time we failed at Titan EX, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 6, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 7, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we failed at Turn 8, it's because we made a mistake.
Every time we fail at Turn 9, it's because we make a mistake.

See the pattern? Every time we fail at every other piece of content in the game, it's because of something we have done wrong, the very opposite can be said for Atma.

Every time I fail to get an Atma, it's because RNG.

You can be doing everything right, Zenith equipped, getting Golds, hitting as many FATEs as you can, and if RNG determines it so, you're NOT going to get your Atma.

Most (not all) the people I've seen defending this quest are people who got lucky those who get all the Atmas in a couple of days. I would definitely like to see how their opinions change if they got unlucky, like myself and many friends, those of us who have spent over 24 hours in one zone to get one atma, and then, almost insultingly, you have those who get lucky, and get all 12 Atmas in that same time frame.

I am more than willing to invest hundreds of hours into obtaining my weapon, but it shouldn't be dependent on RNG, taking some players 12 hours, and other players 12 days.