This game is just way to hard...

[Raenryong]

Because there's nothing skilful about that - the timing window is extremely long, and it just requires memorisation of specific skill combinations. You cannot really adapt to it as interactions do not proceed predictably. Mob weaknesses again are simply knowledge.

DPS in this game have loose rotations with a much tighter timing than FFXI (granted, it's still very easy compared to games like Rift or WoW). You are forced to vary your approach based on number of enemies, disconnects, mechanics, etc - this requiring you to change your ability order as you go.

In FFXI, multiple mobs (unless you cleaving, a BLM or a BLU) made no difference to anyone but someone trying to CC them, and every fight is approached identically. Engage, afk to 100 tp, WS, repeat. Throw in skillchains if you want but they don't actually increase your damage in most cases. Unless the two melee are equally geared etc, you are just weakening the stronger melee for more than the skillchain gains you. BLM is also far weaker than another melee so trying to capitalise on skillchains is counterproductive.

[Dervy]

This game isn't difficult by any stretch of the imagination. It seems like you want all of the Coil/Extreme modes to be as difficult as Toto-Rak.

[Doo]

A standard rotation on any of the DPS classes contains more variation and skill than anything in FFXI.

You never deviate from your standard rotation much. Skillchains you have to figure out what elemental weakness the mob has and know what element your dds skillchain creates to burst for more damage. Rotations is a solo deal while skillchains can involve your entire party so timing is needed between your party members. Spamming the same rotation over and over isn't complex. The skillful part of FFXIV comes from the terrible dodging mechanics, the bad camera angles, and gimmicks. What do you think players have the most trouble with in this game? Dodging why is that? Even though they have done the fight many times before over and over.

[StubHub]

The skillful part of FFXIV comes from the terrible dodging mechanics, the bad camera angles, and gimmicks. What do you think players have the most trouble with in this game? Dodging why is that? Even though they have done the fight many times before over and over.

Dodging is only the elementary, and very basic skill in FFXIV. It's what people do around the dodging that leaves a wide margin of skill. People can dodge, and still perform poorly. You claim that there's not much deviation from ones standard rotation, and while that may be true in a bubble. The ability to maintain what you do around all the dodging is where skillfull play really comes in.

This game may not be the most difficult, but XI is certainly not the dog you want to pit against XIV. And mentioning skill chains as a comparison of skill should be insulting to anyone who's played both XI and XIV excessively.

[Ecks007]

Too*
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And, no, it really isn't.

[KoujiMoreno]

I find FF14 to be the easiest MMO in terms of endgame mechanics. The problem comes from other players and many of the one shot mechanics (or the get hit really hard then its followed by a medium size attack which is enough to kill someone). The main problem in victory is, if they can't dodge, you don't win.

[Ti_Dus]

FF11 wasn't any harder than ff14 but the battle mechanics were more intuitive and diverse and it doesn't lock parties to mechanics that's doesn't make sense which takes away some fun from battles. FF14 needs to be less dependant on the AoE lines...feels too scripted. Instances (too many) prevent a lot of diversity from happening...

[Ti_Dus]

There's no sense of danger in Eorzea. Eldeime Necropolis, castle oztroja, yutunga jungle, xarcabard...made your adventure feel more like an adventure especially when done alone.

[Ruri]

choked on a dorito reading the title of thread.

[Doo]

The ability to maintain what you do around all the dodging is where skillfull play really comes in.

I agree with this. Rotations itself are not complex. It's just spamming a couple of skills in order. Skillful play is just pretty much memorization though that's why I'm willing to bet that most of the players that beat hard content watched videos. Everyone pretty much uses the same exact tactics on every fight.

And mentioning skill chains as a comparison of skill should be insulting to anyone who's played both XI and XIV excessively.

It wasn't a comparison of skills rather more diverse and complex.

FF11 wasn't any harder than ff14 but the battle mechanics were more intuitive and diverse and it doesn't lock parties to mechanics that's doesn't make sense which takes away some fun from battles. FF14 needs to be less dependant on the AoE lines...feels too scripted. Instances (too many) prevent a lot of diversity from happening...

Yes, FFXIV you're pretty much locked into one style of play and one way of gearing. Everyone pretty much does the exact same thing. Even when to use your abilities is pre-determined, pop all your cds here, use LB there.