please revise ilvl req on df

[Yurihyuga]

Hi there this is obviously open for constructive criticism but I think this needs some revising.

There should be some form of clear progression and even more so when using df.
I did not think there was much of a problem with the levels required until yesterday was just farming gear from turn 1 and a paladin with AF1 gear made up some of the lvl req by buying mythology jewellery. He did not know what silence was and when we explained to use spirits within he said he did not have that skill.

Now one person should not spoil other people's fun and I am not saying raise ilvl req to the point of only top geared players should be able to join turn 1 for example.

What I am saying is there should be some form of clear progression - for example.

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[Yurihyuga]

fresh level 50 - start doing some dungeons until they start getting some tomes and get some mythology gear from doing story mode dungeons.
Step it up to do some HM dungeons once they have at least geared a bit better (not much but don't literally want a completely fresh lv50 in HM dungeons)

At this point - Mix it up maybe do some Crystal Tower if they wanted a little change and to get some ilvl80 gear however they can do this or HM dungeons but can't just step into CT either until at least picked up a little mythology gear) (CT needs more of a soldiery reward to be honest as its longer to run than a HM dungeon but another story for another day)

Once you have a mix of 70/80/90 gear might then want to do HM primals and start working towards relic and then +1 but again need at least an ilvl that is fair even if it is easier now than it ever was with echo and such people should still progress properly.

[Yurihyuga]

Once you do all this you should have a minimum ilvl of really high 70/just about 80 and I think that is where coil should start even if its a bit overkill but the ilvl requirement isn't hard just work and this is the proper progression route.

What this would then do is that the people who queue in the df are not skipping content, people would know there jobs better and the quality of players would improve and it all still caters to the casual player as all of this can be done in there own time or with friends.

Please leave any comments if you agree/disagree. Please if you disagree leave a reason its not a bash post or an elitist post, I am only ilvl86 and starting to progress through the first turns of coil.

[Crimson-Falcon]

the point from DF is using it for learning

while PF is used for clear/farm

[Muzy]

Wanna know something funny, go look at the ilevel reqs for coil, guess what? First turn is i70 req. And upping ilvl req will do nothing to solve people not bothering to learn how to play.

iLvl reqs are fine as is, you can beat anything at the set level, with reasonably skilled players.

[Harmonium]

Oh and please add class restriction on ring etc. Yesterday i was with a pld full spirit with ring for healer lvl 36.

He got 3200 hp for the palace and that was horrible i was tanking everything with my monk because he was dying with two hit...

So did he was a tank ? I don't think so.

Please do something against that.

[Danbo05]

Its duty finder, there are supposed to be derps. If there weren't derps, people wouldn't worry so much about doing duty finder, and party finder would go ignored.

On a serious note, the ilv for the coil turns are actually the most accurate ilv out of all dungeons/raids/trials in the duty finder. Except turn3. You can complete turn3 naked.

[Takeva]

Its not about gear. I've gone into lots of turn 1 runs with people that still wear AF1 gear. Obviously it was chosen that way because it can be cleared that way.

Some people just suck more then others. They just still need to learn.

Interesting fact: Did you know party finder was made for problems like yours. You should totally use it.

[MurakumoMillennium]

the point from DF is using it for learning

Nuuuuuuupe.

Its not about gear. I've gone into lots of turn 1 runs with people that still wear AF1 gear. Obviously it was chosen that way because it can be cleared that way.

It is about gear. Those people shouldn't be wearing i50 gear in something that requires i70. And it was made that way because all pieces are weighted the same as far as item level is concerned, when in reality your left side pieces give significantly higher stats than the right side does yet are valued the same. You could meet the ilvl req just by covering yourself in high ilvl accessories and be totally useless stat wise, or upgrade your main items and be more useful despite not meeting ilvl requirements.

[Kuwagami]

Blahblahblah

People should know by now that the problem isn't "new players" in iL close to the minimum in dungeons. The dungeons (and HM/EX primals) are designed for these iL. If you go with an iL that's 20 points above, YOU are the one in fault.

As an example, ifrit HM is perfectly doable with a team in AF gear with GC weapon. If your tank is in this case, and if you rip off hate because you're iL93 and can't slow down to scale their hate generation, YOU are responsible for the eventual failing of the duty.

For your "problem" with T1 (tank with AF and myth jewels), it was far worse back in time when you could beat titan with no iL req and people were going in T1 with a mix of AF gear and AK gear. At least now they are forced to get the minimum iL required to even consider winning in T1, ie 70.


Oh and side note, for whoever said DF is used to learn : the fact that Levi/moggle EX can't be attended in PF proves that the PF was mostly intended for people to learn. Because you know, back in 2.0, a lot of people were bitching about beginners with no clue in DF for titan HM (mostly) who were ruining the "pro players" experience.
JP players used it that way, and afaik, their DF have a way higher success rate in the difficult encounter than ours.