Changing Class in Dungeons

[Gormogon]

Even though it sounds like a nice idea we all know it's gonna be abused and people are gonna get neglected if they don't have access to multiple classes/jobs. If we didn't have all the negatives we have due to player behavior I'd be down without any hesitation but with a community that enjoy their exploits and rage when others can meet their demands I'd rather not help that mentality keep being enforced and made worse.

[Gnova]

That simply shows that there shouldn't have been an "in-progress" option in DF to begin with. Even WoW pooled new and in-progress runs in their group finder to avoid the sort of problem we are seeing here.

I hate joining a instance group part way through the run. I like to progress through the entire thing and not be parachuted in.
I would rather abandon a zone then join it in progress.
When you join a new group through the DF there is a good chance you will finish the zone, enjoy yourself, and not be subjected to drama.
When you join a group that is part way through a zone there is a good chance that the experience will make you wish that you hadn't logged on.

[Duelle]

I hate joining a instance group part way through the run. I like to progress through the entire thing and not be parachuted in.
I would rather abandon a zone then join it in progress.
When you join a new group through the DF there is a good chance you will finish the zone, enjoy yourself, and not be subjected to drama.
When you join a group that is part way through a zone there is a good chance that the experience will make you wish that you hadn't logged on.

This is one of the few cases where "the good of the many" supercedes "the good of the individual". Giving people the option to ignore in-progress groups does more harm than good on average. More so when the DF is set by default to ignore in-progress groups.

Combine the long wait times for replacement tanks and healers with the fact less people play them and you have a recipe for disaster.

[Diavolo]

I wouldn't mind this as long as there's a restriction such as party vote or whatever. I really hate when I get in a dungeon and the tank or healer ducks out, whether it's a legitimately good reason. I waited an hour to get into a dungeon the other day, just for the healer to leave because Behemoth was up.

[Castillan]

Not saying I disagree with you or that it's not possible to implement, just noting that there potential for abuse is there. Look at the Vote Kick option and how that was abused.

Scenario: FC group of 6 picks up 2 PUGs with a "Greed party." Let's say the two PUGs are healers and both are after heal gear. Prior to opening chest, group votes and allows say one of their DPS to change to heal who then rolls need. It's really not that far-fetched...

How would that be any different to today? Before chests are opened, FC group kicks both PUGs, and they agree among themselves who will roll Greed and who will Pass on the loot.

What you're saying is a moot point with respect to the suggestion, because the possibility for abuse that you describe is already possible without the suggestion.

[dragorian]

it would be useful if the set up on df was bad and cant complete the team could chang thus allowing the boss to be beaten

[RyuDragnier]

abuse potential is high. think chests, etc.

That would be easy to bypass with code. As the party is registered at the beginning, so is your ability to Need. If you came in as a DRG and later turned into a WAR, you cannot Need on tank gear, only DPS gear linked to that which a DRG can normally get.

[Seif]

Titan Hard Mode would be so much nicer with the suggested voting class change.

So often snooty tanks or dps' quit and no one EVER joins mid-fight.
I've completed Titan Hard several times with a party of 7 and once even with a party of 6 so in those instances this feature would have been very helpful to minimize the downtime.

[Felis]

Except we are talking about DF here, premade parties work differently.

"Ok, guys, we do plan x here. It is the easiest and fastest way. All DPS change to BLM to kill the trash mobs with some AoE. Then at the endboss back to melee except to DRG for focused damage. If you are not ok wih it, you get vote-kicked"

People already force speedrun to the others in a DF party. This would be also forced to the other players in the DF.

[Garlyle]

"Ok, guys, we do plan x here. It is the easiest and fastest way. All DPS change to BLM to kill the trash mobs with some AoE. Then at the endboss back to melee except to DRG for focused damage. If you are not ok wih it, you get vote-kicked"

This is where I see the biggest issue coming from. "what do you mean you don't have every class levelled, **** this I'm out this'll take too long see ya noob". "wtf are you scholar here switch to ur white mage goddamn" etc.