Changing Class in Dungeons

[Altijacek]

Seriously just make it so that the person who changed jobs after the vote option will only be able to roll for the gear they originally intended. If I went DRG, healer left, and party votes to change me to white Mage, I can still only roll for DRG gear. Problem solved. Nobody has thought of this? :0

[Delmontyb]

I support this idea under the conditions that you list, that would/could be very helpful.

[Skivvy]

Seriously just make it so that the person who changed jobs after the vote option will only be able to roll for the gear they originally intended. If I went DRG, healer left, and party votes to change me to white Mage, I can still only roll for DRG gear. Problem solved. Nobody has thought of this? :0

This was mentioned on page one :X

[Jinko]

Search forums for "Vote Kick" and "Vote Abandon" and all the problems that have arisen there..

It's not the same ..

People are saying it will be abused when people want an item and will change class to ninja the item, but you can't do that as you would be required to ask your party if its ok to change class.

There is no problem here.

In short, 1.0 class stacking should come again
Kill trash mobs with all dps as BLM, switch to MNK at the endboss. Keep out of party if you don't have BLM or MNK.

Except we are talking about DF here, premade parties work differently.

I guess the best solution to this would be, if a player leaves the party allow players to change class before requesting a new player.

I've dealt with this mechanic in DCUO.
Someone queues as a tank or healer to get a quick instance pop and then switches to dps.
More often than not one of the dps then agree to switch to heals rather than wait even longer for another healer.
The abuser gets a fast queue time and makes someone who has waited patiently to play as DPS switch to something they didn't want to play.

If someone was to do this three or four times before not getting kicked they would still get a group much quicker as a dps.

Everyone should realize in 2014 that if a MMO mechanic can be abused/exploited it will.

Again !!

People aren't reading the whole thread, for someone to change class they would need to ask the permission of the party first so it would not create this situation.

[SendohJin]

You can't balance content with that playstyle.
Either you assume everyone had multiple jobs leveled and then make it impossible for groups filled with single job players or you make it ridiculously easy for groups that do job switches.

where would this happen in existing content? CT? once you have aggro you obviously can't job change.

[L-D-Omlette]

While dissimilar in implementation, the abuse still operates the same in that: you have a group of say 5 FC members who want an individual member to get loot. Whether it's a vote to allow that member to change to said job or to kick someone they don't want getting the loot, they still hold the majority.
That's not to say that there isn't a solution or workaround, but as we know, solutions usually come after the abuse has run for a few weeks

The only scenario I can think of would be if I volunteer to switch say, from dps to tank/healer, they say no, and a 6th member from the FC gets in as the role I was denied. How is this an issue? I would think that players would be less likely to be upset in this situation since they are completing the content on the job they originally wanted to. I fail to see how a group could use this to monopolize loot drops, especially when taking the suggested rules of implementation into account.

Would love to see some examples, since that would be the best way to be proactive about potential solutions.

[Delsus]

All party finder comments if this was added "DPS must have BLM and *insert one or more preferred melee here* *insert elitest comment calling anyone who doesn't have these jobs leveled a noob* There are a lot of ways this could break content, rather than compromising some in some places (for example using melee on a dungeon boss where ranged is better).

[Airget]

This is how I imagined it as well.

To prevent abuse, they could implement the following:

-Only allow a job change when a member is missing
-Make the party vote to approve the change
-Don't allow a job change when there is loot on the table

Could still be abused, think about a group of 3 enter, and the person wanting healing gear just didn't feel like healing but wants to need on potential on last chest.

Before they get to last boss they vote kick the healer and then vote to change the person who wants healing gear into healer. Then a random DD joins oblivious to what just happened.

[Skivvy]

Could still be abused, think about a group of 3 enter, and the person wanting healing gear just didn't feel like healing but wants to need on potential on last chest.

Before they get to last boss they vote kick the healer and then vote to change the person who wants healing gear into healer. Then a random DD joins oblivious to what just happened.

Very true, but honestly, any system can (and will) be abused. I think in this case, the benefit of having this as option would far out-weigh the potential abuse that may happen. And my list definitely wouldn't cover everything, just a good starting point as to the restrictions they could place in order to keep the abuse at bay. Guess I should have used "limit abuse" vs. "prevent abuse". D:

[Duelle]

The abuse potential is too high.

It would end up with healers that want to switch to DPS and use cross class abilities to heal the group so the run will go quicker.

Eventually it will be expected for the healer to do this and for the tank to be overheated to accommodate the gimp healing.

This and hybrid classes/people with healer or tank alts end up getting screwed in the process. zIt stops being "i get to play the class i want" and becomes "I have to play the class this group/raid needs".