Echo

[RyuDragnier]

Two weeks is not long enough for players doing Coil for the first time due to the lockout. It's an insult bringing Echo in so soon for those who couldnt find a static or didnt want to put up with particular ragers who wanted their weekly clear before reset.

It's an insult you people had to wait until the lockout was done before you even entered Coil. Was it not good enough for you people, it had to be in the DF before it was good enough!? I'm joking, btw.

But you get the ridiculousness of my statement...which was mocking yours. There was nothing stopping people from entering Coil before and progressing without the Echo beforehand. You have no right to complain.

[Kuwagami]

Two weeks is not long enough for players doing Coil for the first time due to the lockout. It's an insult bringing Echo in so soon for those who couldnt find a static or didnt want to put up with particular ragers who wanted their weekly clear before reset.

Are you even aware that you are able to put a PF saying "going through Coil without echo" ?
Just the same way you could have made some parties before in 2.1 to learn it, even without having a static.

You didn't do it due to laziness, not because the game was preventing you to do it. Or maybe because you never realized you could use the PF that way

(btw, I tested it and there are people willing to go without echo...)

[Versiroth]

Two weeks is not long enough for players doing Coil for the first time due to the lockout. It's an insult bringing Echo in so soon for those who couldnt find a static or didnt want to put up with particular ragers who wanted their weekly clear before reset.

The players in statics only got to beat it once a week. You got to beat it as much as you want. Honestly, you could have beat 1-5 once per day for the two weeks and you'd have equaled over 3 months of progress for a normal raider. Two weeks was plenty of time.

[bokchoykn]

The players in statics only got to beat it once a week. You got to beat it as much as you want. Honestly, you could have beat 1-5 once per day for the two weeks and you'd have equaled over 3 months of progress for a normal raider. Two weeks was plenty of time.

Not to mention:

-Unlimited Mythology Tomes, previously limited to 450 per week. 300 per week before 2.1
-Access to Soldiery Tomes and i100 items that weren't available before.

[ToffeeCoffee]

The players in statics only got to beat it once a week. You got to beat it as much as you want. Honestly, you could have beat 1-5 once per day for the two weeks and you'd have equaled over 3 months of progress for a normal raider. Two weeks was plenty of time.

Because I have as much time to be on the game as you, to run and clear Coil 1245 all day every day for 2 weeks to get all my loot before the nerf. Delusional.

[Hiroradius]

The lockout is so people can't spam a turn and gear up. I don't know of any other MMO that let's you spam a raid first boss to gear people up before you can try 2nd boss. That is the reason for the lockout. If it wasn't there, people would just spam kill turn 6, everyone would get their one or 2 drops, then they'd try turn 7, spam it get their 1 or 2 drops, then turn 8..

[MilesSaintboroguh]

The Echo is more like giving undergeared players a push and nothing more.

[Kuwagami]

With the minimum iL SE has put on top end content, there's no way you could access them "undergeared". Stop talking nonsense

[RyuDragnier]

With the minimum iL SE has put on top end content, there's no way you could access them "undergeared". Stop talking nonsense

For Ex Primals, the minimum iLvl IS undergeared. You need around i80 to survive everything thrown at you. Otherwise one hit = dead.

[Alkimi]

For Ex Primals, the minimum iLvl IS undergeared. You need around i80 to survive everything thrown at you. Otherwise one hit = dead.

All 3 ex primals are completely doable at their minimum ilvl requirements... with 8 very good players that is. When the game first released people were clearing Turn 1 and 2 with an average ilvl in the mid 60s, well below the requirement SE put in for 2.2.