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  1. #31
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    Alavastre's Avatar
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    Gerad Rabanastre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
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    Hate to be the bearer of bad news. But MMO's use RNG for a reason. That reason is rather simple. People will play the game more if there is a random chance of getting something. They'll do the same thing over and over again just for the attempt to get something they want. Not the case when it's not RNG.

    So, RNG is there for a real psychological reason.
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    "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

  2. #32
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    faris's Avatar
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    Lunaris Mist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadrojj View Post
    It would be nice to have a system to upgrade your gear like you can your weapon, however the RNG would have to be replaced with an actual system. Maybe something like ffxi had, trails, I remember updating my evasion katana for my ninja I had to kill 500 of a certain monster during a wind weather effect in a certain zone. Gave you reasons to revisit zones and kill mobs there. I enjoyed it.
    GOD NO.
    No trial of the magians style "Yeah we're not giving you any content this patch, go kill 500 of these. While it's raining." ever.
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  3. #33
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    Ozzie Nyandias
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    Already having two atma weapons and kinda sad I don't have another zenithed relic to upgrade, I approve of this idea.
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  4. #34
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alavastre View Post
    Hate to be the bearer of bad news. But MMO's use RNG for a reason. That reason is rather simple. People will play the game more if there is a random chance of getting something. They'll do the same thing over and over again just for the attempt to get something they want. Not the case when it's not RNG.

    So, RNG is there for a real psychological reason.
    Not really. People will play as long as they have something to seek. RNG is just the easiest way to make sure that it will take a long time and fooling people so that they'll hope to be lucky.
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Not really. People will play as long as they have something to seek. RNG is just the easiest way to make sure that it will take a long time and fooling people so that they'll hope to be lucky.
    It's been studied. Go check it out.
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    "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

  6. #36
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Yeah, I know about the Skinner Box.
    But nowhere does it say it's the only way to make people play for long period of time.
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  7. #37
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    Gormogon Maxwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alavastre View Post
    Hate to be the bearer of bad news. But MMO's use RNG for a reason. That reason is rather simple. People will play the game more if there is a random chance of getting something.
    Ever heard of Runescape and Minecraft?

    RNG exists as a barrier to deny items, gears, weapons, etc and force people to try again. Like gambling but less fun.
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  8. #38
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Odin
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    Well we don't have the new AF2 which was shown as concept art in one of the live letters (loved the MNK AF2!). Adding drops to upgrade Myth set to AF2 in Crystal Tower (2.3 version not LotA :P). But ive a sneaky feeling ilvl110 gear obtainable outside coil 2 will be the AF2. How we obtain it... Maybe CT, maybe something else. Doubt it would be with soldiery.

    So to not invalidate Soldiery it would have to be limited on how it is obtained to probably 1 item per week.AKA, 2.3 Crystal Tower. Putting Ilvl 110 as ATMA style drops would totally invalidate the present gear from soldiery and from Coil 2 as, with luck, you could farm a full set in a day.

    Now adding RNG drops to buy zero stat gear to glamor with would be a pretty awesome idea. Without breaking anything that I mentioned how it would before.

    (All conjecture of course ^_^ )

    Just had a thought to expand a bit on it:

    Adding a form of currency that has a chance to drop from all content. from Leve mobs, from harvesting nodes, from dungeons, treasure chests. ventures etc. that can be spent to buy things like crafting recipes, appearance armor and weapons for glamor, mounts and minions. By adding to all will give everyone a chance to obtain them to buy these "fluff" items.
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    Last edited by Sapphic; 05-01-2014 at 08:07 AM.

  9. #39
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Like gambling but less fun.
    Indeed, that's why D&D never became popular.
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  10. #40
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    Omni Selway
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    People like to complain, they complained about the Atma having no additional stats from the Zenith so they'll complain if the armor was glamor only. So maybe make it 105 then. So it's not stronger than gear that takes skill to acquire (High Allagan/Non Withered Soldiery) but stronger than gear that anyone can get by farming a dungeon once a day (Withered). Makes for a good middle ground I guess.
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