If you speed run Braflox HM (a primer on how to get blacklisted)

[eikichi357]

IMHO as a PLD, just be flexible,
1. your team is smart, they wont sit behind you. we become a happy tank...
2. your team is lazy, and sit behind you, we as a tank, move the boss away....

this is multiplayer and multipersonality character in 1 game, you cant expect to standardize the people, that can be 6 years old kid or 70 years old guy that have a super ego

[LalaRu]

Afaik, the big bomb doesn't best be LB'd ? 2 BRD party will have its troubles but I guess have enough dps, while in bad cases I never tried with tank's lb before detonation, dunno if oneshot anyway, guess yes but maybe someone tried, let me know.

In your cases, yes dps sitting on an aoe is always bad. Tank facing boss to group, bad too, just take note there isn't so much space to move off. Bad + bad = wipe, we all know this equation

[Garlyle]

On the subject of tanks turning the boss away - while I know a lot of people don't play tanks personally and so probably not a lot of players know this, almost every boss in the game has a front cleave by default. It's just as much the responsibility of the tank to keep a boss faced away as it is that of the rest of the players not to stand in dangerous areas in the first place. Y'know, just like every other AoE.

If the players decided "oh yeah let's stand next to the tank", that's not the tank's fault.

[blowfin]

Afaik, the big bomb doesn't best be LB'd ?

No, you should LB the boss prior to this, you can kill it before the big bomb even pops.

[wicked-one]

1st Wipe: Healer and black mage positioned themselves right behind the tank (me) and proceeded to get melted by the flame AOE, Wipe.

Accepting and understanding your complaints, but I have to say, faults on both sides...

#1 Rule of Tanking: Face the Boss away of the Grp, best with a Wall behind you...

Neither it was smart to even allow this, nor for the DD´s to not take a step aside, but yeah, as my blackmages perspective, i would think it´s your job not to get me in this situation at first (unneeded moving kills BLM´s DPS - AND is annyoing).
So in this case, they weren´t to blame completely on "managing to wipe" - except for Case #2

#4 Rule of Life: Thinking ahead AND also for other people saves you much disappointment.

Patching this on ARR, assuming your allies are as smart as potatoes helps, and leaves more joy if you get people who know what they are doing...

[Zephyranthes]

All members are at fault. Nobody bothered to adapt.

Your group's main problem was the AOE.

Situation #1 : DPS didn't bother to position themselves behind the boss, as a tank, you could turn the boss around.
Situation #2 : Tank didn't bother to turn boss around, as a dps, just position yourself behind the boss.

Simple enough. Competent players know how to adapt to various situations. Your issue was very manageable.

[Shadowzanon]

Ill have to agree with wicked one in this particular case. As a tank i quickly see how competent is the dps if they stay in the same position i do my best to steer harm away from them. wipe 1 and 3 are just as much your fault OP as the dps n healer who refused to move. You see the aoe fire does not insta gib them but the aoe shooting will constantly hit them, this means you did nothing on your part other than to complain on the forums about shitter dps n heals when you could have simply turn the boss around to stop them from getting killed. do your part from a wipe.

As a blm, i am turret dps and i do my best to avoid movement unless nessesary, i have done brayflox alot where the tank just lets the boss run to the tank and all of the dps n heals are pelted with aoe dmg forcing us to fight out of the usual area. Yes i can adapt but i can see when a tank is just as much at fault as a dps. tanks have control of where that aoe of that boss will hit.

[blowfin]

#1 Rule of Tanking: Face the Boss away of the Grp, best with a Wall behind you...

You must have missed the bit where I said it was facing in a sensible direction. Not that I expect people to fully read threads around here.

Situation #1 : DPS didn't bother to position themselves behind the boss, as a tank, you could turn the boss around.

See above ^

You see the aoe fire does not insta gib them but the aoe shooting will constantly hit them, this means you did nothing on your part other than to complain on the forums about shitter dps n heals when you could have simply turn the boss around to stop them from getting killed. do your part from a wipe

Yeah, you know what I do as a DPS if i get hit by frontal AOE? Get the hell out. The tank can't move your character for you. They were basically out of my line of sight where they were standing.

Apart from that the BLM was one of the most obnoxious people I've come across in game, but everyone seems to be missing that point too.


I'll err on the side of caution next time. Clearly I gave these guys enough rope to hang themselves. Guess I've been spoilt with decent groups in the past.

[Stanelis]

1st Wipe: Healer and black mage positioned themselves right behind the tank (me) and proceeded to get melted by the flame AOE, Wipe.

Just tank it on the side of the room (and make the boss face the wall) and have the DPS/ heal stand where they should be : ie in the center. If you re tanking it somewhere else you re doing something wrong. I can't even understand how things can go wrong on that part of the fight.

[valho]

Here is what I think happen, tank pull as usual, by going straight to boss tomahawk/shield lob and go pass the boss so that now the boss will face the wall. Healer and BLM for some unknown reason decide to reposition themselves right behind the tank, putting them in the direction of boss aoe. Due to how the camera works in this game there are times you might not see what's behind you or might not notice that the healer and blm have reposition behind you. I say might mostly because you would not expect healer and dps would go behind you after you have properly turn the boss.

So if the healer and blm for no good reason intentionally putting themselves in harms way becomes the tank fault? Sure the tank could reposition when he notice this, but give me a good reason why the blm and healer would move behind the tank in the first place? In this fight there is none, there are nothing to avoid once you are behind the boss.