If you speed run Braflox HM (a primer on how to get blacklisted)

[Akujin]

Kind of amusing this particular thread comes up today. Had a full Brayflox run yesterday, in Roulette, was for Sol. Turned into a semi SR, semi large pulls, but the real fun came at the end.

First wipe came because bombs didnt get pushed away (granted, I saw how they were laid out and was able to move into a open slot so I didnt get hit, the rest of the party did, which wiped us.

Someone votes to abandon, we reject it. I make the remark "who's trying to ragequit?" (this was the first wipe in the dungeon), go in again. Second wipe came because the big bomb got off. I'll accept partial blame for that - I had assumed the other DD would LB it, at a certain point I should have just popped it off anyways, but it killed us of course. Again, someone tries to vote abandon, rejected. Finally asked who was trying to leave...the Scholar.

Let me paint a picture - Had to be told to throw up Protect multiple times in the run. Never stoneskinned (and I realize SS is a WHM native skill. You can cross skill it, no reason not to have it) and they were not using Miasma 2 during the bomb phase to help push bombs off. Yeaah.

So third time's a charm, we win, healer leaves right away. But I find it adorably amusing how terrible some people are and expect everyone else to just give up so that -they- dont get a penalty because -they- want to leave.

[skaterger]

Erm yes.

Everyone is responsible for themselves, and if you know a mob/boss has a cone or 360 AOE you should get out of the way just in the event something goes wrong. As someone who plays both a tank and DD role you should know this by now. Don't shrug all the responsibility off onto anyone single person as that is just bad teamwork.

The thing is with a half decent tank the dps and healers should never need to move. It's not even a hard mechanic, running through the boss and turning him away from the rest of the party. If the tank doesn't move obviously I will, but that doesn't change the fact that is a terrible tank.

This is true, but there are those speshul people who like to follow the tank and stack on them, even when the tank is doing things right.

I'm rather thinking that this might have been the case in the OP's situation.

I wasn't referring to the OP's case specifically. It was in reference to a poster who thought that it was the duty of the dps and healer to move, which is clearly not the optimal strategy.

[Muzy]

The thing is with a half decent tank the dps and healers should never need to move. It's not even a hard mechanic, running through the boss and turning him away from the rest of the party. If the tank doesn't move obviously I will, but that doesn't change the fact that is a terrible tank.

This is true, but there are those speshul people who like to follow the tank and stack on them, even when the tank is doing things right.

I'm rather thinking that this might have been the case in the OP's situation.

[valho]

I do not know why some of you assume that the tank is pointing the boss to the rest of the party, he did mention he point it in a sensible direction, so I would assume that the boss is pointed away from the party, but the healer/blm still decide to position themselves infront of the boss. And a tank that been tanking till 50 will know to point a boss away from party, the last boss in Brayflox also does not turn, so repositioning is not necessary until after each bomb phase where you need to re-target him. Unless the tank is not doing the above, then it's just a bad healer and blm.

[Asael]

The thing is with a half decent tank the dps and healers should never need to move. It's not even a hard mechanic, running through the boss and turning him away from the rest of the party. If the tank doesn't move obviously I will, but that doesn't change the fact that is a terrible tank.



I wasn't referring to the OP's case specifically. It was in reference to a poster who thought that it was the duty of the dps and healer to move, which is clearly not the optimal strategy.

Muzy sums it up pretty well.

This is true, but there are those speshul people who like to follow the tank and stack on them, even when the tank is doing things right.

I'm rather thinking that this might have been the case in the OP's situation.

Sharing the responsibility simply helps shrink the party's margin of error and in the likelihood an error should arise the consequences are less sever if not entirely negated all together. Besides it's not going to hurt your dps or hps to take a half second to move a few yalms when needed. People need to learn to do this anyways earlier on if they ever expect to clear various endgame content like Titan-Ex.

[SwordCoheir]

The thing is with a half decent tank the dps and healers should never need to move. It's not even a hard mechanic, running through the boss and turning him away from the rest of the party. If the tank doesn't move obviously I will, but that doesn't change the fact that is a terrible tank.

Perhaps, but the attitude the BLM and Healer had the entire run makes me think they were half assing it to begin with. Such as no consideration for hate management, not paying attention to the fight enough to know they were getting melted (Flame Throwers are spaced out enough they should notice the hp drop and be able heal back up in time), not being able to clear the bombs reliably (I mean seriously even an uncoordinated BLM and a WHM/SCH could duo the entire room if they were paying attention), "forgetting" to LB... yeah that kind of behavior all kind of points too it.

[Lyrinn]

And a tank that been tanking till 50 will know to point a boss away from party

Not referring to the OP's case here since we have no screenshot or video to show exactly what happened, but in general, yea, no. Just as there are special people who haven't learned by this point that standing in front of a boss is a bad idea, there are tanks who haven't learned by this point that pointing the boss towards the rest of the party is a bad idea. In fact it was just last week I ran into a MT who refused to turn Leviathan's head away from the center.

[valho]

Not referring to the OP's case here since we have no screenshot or video to show exactly what happened, but in general, yea, no. Just as there are special people who haven't learned by this pointing that standing in front of a boss is a bad idea, there are tanks who haven't learned by this point that point the boss towards the rest of the party is a bad idea. In fact it was just last week I ran into a MT who refused to turn Leviathan's head away from the center.

Hmm ok granted there are still bad tank around lol, I been tanking too much that I forgot how it feel to dps for DF tank, only time I dps is with my static for coil lol

Anyway from what the OP posted it looks more like the healer and blm are trolling or just being a pain in the ass.

[Seif]

Why even start blaming people if they don't live up to your standards of gaming excellence?!

I tank all the time and when people moan how I mess up something all I can think of is honestly so what? I mean really. Is that venting giving me the knowledge on how to play better on the next round or is it just to make yourself feel better?

How about stopping the blame game and being...I dunno... helpful?

[blowfin]

Anyway from what the OP posted it looks more like the healer and blm are trolling or just being a pain in the ass.

Yeah pretty much this, almost felt like they were intentionally wiping. Strangely enough, the other DPS didn't have any issues at all. I find it hard to believe people could be that daft. I've done dozens of full Brayflox runs now, and have never seen anything quite so "special".

The only other example that sticks out was the i100+ SMN who had Titan Egi out for an entire Brayflox run. Clearly a troll in that case, they had at least 3 drops from second coil on display.