If you speed run Braflox HM (a primer on how to get blacklisted)

[Macka]

Why would run 2 more times with same group or am I reading that wrong. Personally after 3rd wipe I would've left and blacklisted from the chat afterwards.

[Nalien]

Personally after 3rd wipe I would've left and blacklisted from the chat afterwards.

I'd have done so after the first wipe. That boss is a joke, I've seen healers go down to the first bomb wave and still cleared it...

[PlanckZero]

It's your job as tank to position the boss... you pointed it at them not once but twice and expected a positive outcome? Which is the simpler task to accomplish.

a) Expecting two people to individually realize they are standing in the wrong position and move out of range of a fairly large cone shaped aoe attack they seem to know nothing about.

b) Flipping the boss around so the aoe isn't pointing at anyone.

I'm not saying these people are innocent... but you're no saint/genius in this situation either.

[RumiP]

Brayflox Hard is serious business.

[blowfin]

Why would run 2 more times with same group or am I reading that wrong.

This was in roulette, all 3 wipes during the same run. My main point was they were obviously very inexperienced at the boss encounter, yet the BLM had clearly done SR's a number of times. He brought the attitude of being a pro into the run, but failed hard when we got to the boss.

It's your job as tank to position the boss... you pointed it at them not once but twice and expected a positive outcome? Which is the simpler task to accomplish.

a) Expecting two people to individually realize they are standing in the wrong position and move out of range of a fairly large cone shaped aoe attack they seem to know nothing about.

b) Flipping the boss around so the aoe isn't pointing at anyone.

I'm not saying these people are innocent... but you're no saint/genius in this situation either.

I was pointing it in a sensible direction. Let me re-iterate: this is the first time I've EVER seen wipes on that boss, from dozens of runs. I was not the problem.

Also lb at 15-20%

Yeah, most DPS I get in DF do this well, this group did it once out of the three tries and forgot on the other two.


Anyway, lesson learned, I've been trying to give the "E" section of the population in my server group a chance in Roulette. It's not worth the stress of dealing with obnoxious people though, and I'm just going to revert back to "J/E/D/F".

[Akujin]

Kind of amusing this particular thread comes up today. Had a full Brayflox run yesterday, in Roulette, was for Sol. Turned into a semi SR, semi large pulls, but the real fun came at the end.

First wipe came because bombs didnt get pushed away (granted, I saw how they were laid out and was able to move into a open slot so I didnt get hit, the rest of the party did, which wiped us.

Someone votes to abandon, we reject it. I make the remark "who's trying to ragequit?" (this was the first wipe in the dungeon), go in again. Second wipe came because the big bomb got off. I'll accept partial blame for that - I had assumed the other DD would LB it, at a certain point I should have just popped it off anyways, but it killed us of course. Again, someone tries to vote abandon, rejected. Finally asked who was trying to leave...the Scholar.

Let me paint a picture - Had to be told to throw up Protect multiple times in the run. Never stoneskinned (and I realize SS is a WHM native skill. You can cross skill it, no reason not to have it) and they were not using Miasma 2 during the bomb phase to help push bombs off. Yeaah.

So third time's a charm, we win, healer leaves right away. But I find it adorably amusing how terrible some people are and expect everyone else to just give up so that -they- dont get a penalty because -they- want to leave.

[KingOfAbyss]

I'll accept partial blame for that - I had assumed the other DD would LB it..

...Had to be told to throw up Protect multiple times in the run. Never stoneskinned (and I realize SS is a WHM native skill. You can cross skill it, no reason not to have it) and they were not using Miasma 2 during the bomb phase to help push bombs off. Yeaah.

Yup, I see it as well, as Tank, I end up being the one to SS and Protect the group. It seems that lots of Healers get into the easy mode.. and that's not only from Brayflox, it's every trials and dungeons.. some will just not BUFF.

As for the part where you are partially to blame - Communication is key. Never assume. While opening the last door, if a Melee DPS is with us, I'll ask him to LB the Big bomb, or better.. the boss so he won't even have the time to put it in the first place. If no Melee, I tell the SMN/BLM (BRD? lol hehehe)

(Heya [insert first name] we'll leave the LB to you for the big bomb or Boss. We'll trust your judgment ^^) <-- simple.

I hate speedruns; so if you see me with you, prepare for it or.. get that 30 min penalty. I'm here to play a game, I can wait one more week to get my stuff, enjoying the moment, with friends, or making news ones through DF! <-- how is that even possible?

[valho]

I do not know why some of you assume that the tank is pointing the boss to the rest of the party, he did mention he point it in a sensible direction, so I would assume that the boss is pointed away from the party, but the healer/blm still decide to position themselves infront of the boss. And a tank that been tanking till 50 will know to point a boss away from party, the last boss in Brayflox also does not turn, so repositioning is not necessary until after each bomb phase where you need to re-target him. Unless the tank is not doing the above, then it's just a bad healer and blm.

[Lyrinn]

And a tank that been tanking till 50 will know to point a boss away from party

Not referring to the OP's case here since we have no screenshot or video to show exactly what happened, but in general, yea, no. Just as there are special people who haven't learned by this point that standing in front of a boss is a bad idea, there are tanks who haven't learned by this point that pointing the boss towards the rest of the party is a bad idea. In fact it was just last week I ran into a MT who refused to turn Leviathan's head away from the center.

[valho]

Not referring to the OP's case here since we have no screenshot or video to show exactly what happened, but in general, yea, no. Just as there are special people who haven't learned by this pointing that standing in front of a boss is a bad idea, there are tanks who haven't learned by this point that point the boss towards the rest of the party is a bad idea. In fact it was just last week I ran into a MT who refused to turn Leviathan's head away from the center.

Hmm ok granted there are still bad tank around lol, I been tanking too much that I forgot how it feel to dps for DF tank, only time I dps is with my static for coil lol

Anyway from what the OP posted it looks more like the healer and blm are trolling or just being a pain in the ass.