If you speed run Braflox HM (a primer on how to get blacklisted)

[blowfin]

I don't care if you speed run it for tomes or not, everyone goes about getting their tomes a different way.

However, learn to beat the final boss before you out yourself as an utter chump in Roulette or DF.

I had a healer and BLM last night who managed to wipe us 3 times on the Gobmachine. The BLM was quite happy to bark instructions at me the whole run on how to pull, he was also quite happy to blast everything before hate was established, and then complain. Then we get to the final boss:

1st Wipe: Healer and black mage positioned themselves right behind the tank (me) and proceeded to get melted by the flame AOE, Wipe.
2nd Wipe: Bombs didn't get cleared fast enough going into last phase, Wipe.
3rd Wipe: Once again the healer and BLM manage to get themselves cooked by the flame AOE. Wipe

On all 3 runs we had plenty of DPS to avoid the last phase of this fight, yet this BLM who was so keen to rip hate off me during the run, didn't seem able to pump out enough DPS to avoid the big bomb.

After the run finished I get the whole "maybe you should just play DPS, it's obvious you're a bad tank". Pretty stunned my reply was "I've never actually wiped on that boss before, I don't think the problem is me". After that exchange he was promptly blacklisted.


tl;dr Don't be a chump in DF when you've been drinking your juice in Speed Runs.

[skaterger]

The flame aoe comes after the bombs so as the tank it's your job to turn the boss away from the party. If they still ran into the front of the boss after that then yeah they are bad. Also lb at 15-20%

[Caselia]

The flame aoe comes after the bombs so as the tank it's your job to turn the boss away from the party. If they still ran into the front of the boss after that then yeah they are bad. Also lb at 15-20%

No, it's everyone else's job to get the heck out of the way when you're in front of the boss. It's not complicated.

[skaterger]

No, it's everyone else's job to get the heck out of the way when you're in front of the boss. It's not complicated.

Erm no? 1 player moving is always better than 3.

[Asael]

Erm no? 1 player moving is always better than 3.

Erm yes.

Everyone is responsible for themselves, and if you know a mob/boss has a cone or 360 AOE you should get out of the way just in the event something goes wrong. As someone who plays both a tank and DD role you should know this by now. Don't shrug all the responsibility off onto anyone single person as that is just bad teamwork.

[skaterger]

Erm yes.

Everyone is responsible for themselves, and if you know a mob/boss has a cone or 360 AOE you should get out of the way just in the event something goes wrong. As someone who plays both a tank and DD role you should know this by now. Don't shrug all the responsibility off onto anyone single person as that is just bad teamwork.

The thing is with a half decent tank the dps and healers should never need to move. It's not even a hard mechanic, running through the boss and turning him away from the rest of the party. If the tank doesn't move obviously I will, but that doesn't change the fact that is a terrible tank.

This is true, but there are those speshul people who like to follow the tank and stack on them, even when the tank is doing things right.

I'm rather thinking that this might have been the case in the OP's situation.

I wasn't referring to the OP's case specifically. It was in reference to a poster who thought that it was the duty of the dps and healer to move, which is clearly not the optimal strategy.

[Stanelis]

1st Wipe: Healer and black mage positioned themselves right behind the tank (me) and proceeded to get melted by the flame AOE, Wipe.

Just tank it on the side of the room (and make the boss face the wall) and have the DPS/ heal stand where they should be : ie in the center. If you re tanking it somewhere else you re doing something wrong. I can't even understand how things can go wrong on that part of the fight.

[Eekiki]

Erm yes.

Everyone is responsible for themselves, and if you know a mob/boss has a cone or 360 AOE you should get out of the way just in the event something goes wrong. As someone who plays both a tank and DD role you should know this by now. Don't shrug all the responsibility off onto anyone single person as that is just bad teamwork.

Sorry, the whole purpose of having a tank is the tank makes sure the rest of the PT takes minimal damage. Tanking 101 is "Make sure whatever part of the monster that is sending out damage is facing away from the rest of the party".

Therefore "Erm no" is correct. OP should have positioned the thing properly in the first place.

[Welsper59]

Erm no? 1 player moving is always better than 3.

That's a horrible attitude to have. It's along the lines of entitlement if you feel that others should do the moving for you (when it clearly has zero detriment on your part). At least on a tanks part, there could be exceptions. Such as the boss/mob beginning the AoE before it can be positioned correctly, etc.

[Rex]

The flame aoe comes after the bombs so as the tank it's your job to turn the boss away from the party. If they still ran into the front of the boss after that then yeah they are bad. Also lb at 15-20%

Okay, but if he doesn't turn the boss away, is that an excuse for casters to just stand there and die and then blame him? What kind of cooperation is that?

Also, to OP, my favorite is when they talk shit and then mess up on the last boss like that, and then you throw out a snarky comment and they don't respond and just leave LOL

I have had groups where the combined weapon damage (the LB damage determiner) was not enough for the LB to kill the boss at this point. You need to know what the LB will output to do it at this time. If you know that the boss won't die, it is better to save it for the bomb itself. "Horrible DPS" is not really a fair assessment. It could just be that the group isn't extremely overgeared. There is a difference.

Lol, I got that comment in T1 once. We were all i90+ (AND the 10% echo buff) got out within 15 minutes and the tank still said "good job but dps too weak"

And I was like ".......really!?"