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    Yumi_umi's Avatar
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    Yumi Umi
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Just like what saber said let the tank pull and die if they pull the whole speed run bs in DF.
    If you are the healer or tank then technically you have the say of whether the party speed runs or not.
    Whenever i qeued for bray hm in DF, the party without saying anything; would proceed to speed run it without even consulting me. Half the time they can't even do full proper pulls on the first section. Then on the second area they pull the raptors along with all the other mobs. What's worse is when the dps aren't super i92+ over geared.
    If they buffed all bosses and enemies hp and made them hit harder then yeah they would slow the speed runs by a few mins.
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    Akirakogami's Avatar
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    Akira Pink
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    Archer Lv 50
    well they were doing well ith some of the new dugneons. Look at manor hard. there are doors and things that limit your pulls and there are no enemies that can be skipped.

    They really just derped on the design of Brayflox hard. That dungeon is so imbalanced it's dumb.
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    Alex Pokute
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    A good reason why people want to skip mobs or kill all at once is because killing them is not fun. Tank needs to maintain enmity, healer needs to keep everyone alive, dps need to watch enmity and dodge aoe while doing damage. It would be a different matter if killing mobs was fun.
    But i like the idea of sub tasks with extra rewards (not chests with ether potions and darklight gear, but something useful).
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    AlrikRouge's Avatar
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    Alrik Rouge
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Read the OP. Rest I SR thru so pardon me if I missed something....

    All joking aside, if I am healer and tank takes off without coordinating a SR (unless I don't care right then), they die. Same with DPS. If I'm tank, I always ask to coordinate. Unless I don't want to, at which point anyone who pulls shall tank what they pull. If I'm DPS, I follow tank's and healers lead as I usually want to SR if I'm DF'ing as a DPS, or don't care if we plod along slow and steady.

    Also, if I tank and others take off before me, saying "go" or "SR" without even asking or even saying hi, I usually "/sit" and wait for them to die or come back.

    Hold your ground. It's your gaming experience. If you think it's bad or gotten worse now, if they don't increase level cap soon, it will only get much worse.
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    Almalexia Indoril
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    1: queue as a healer, (optional)
    2: wait for tank to do large pull.
    3: when he dies, yell at him for trying to force you into a speedrun.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
    Just like what saber said let the tank pull and die if they pull the whole speed run bs in DF.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlrikRouge View Post
    Also, if I tank and others take off before me, saying "go" or "SR" without even asking or even saying hi, I usually "/sit" and wait for them to die or come back.
    Passive-aggressive nonsense like this doesn't clear the dungeon, doesn't stop speedrunning, and doesn't improve your standing in the eyes of anyone. It is as selfish as you can get without, well, implicitly speedrunning. But at least speedrunning produces tangible rewards.

    Consider asking the tank, how will you pull today? or make a straight request.
    If you are the tank, state how you intend to pull from the outset. You control the flow of the dungeon, after all.

    Don't be on either side of the problem.
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    AlrikRouge's Avatar
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    Alrik Rouge
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Akirakogami View Post
    well they were doing well ith some of the new dugneons. Look at manor hard. there are doors and things that limit your pulls and there are no enemies that can be skipped.

    They really just derped on the design of Brayflox hard. That dungeon is so imbalanced it's dumb.
    Actually....ask around on Manor HM. If it can be done, people find ways. And that has already been done on this one (which I have done already several times as PLD with and i90 party).
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    Akira Pink
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AlrikRouge View Post
    Actually....ask around on Manor HM. If it can be done, people find ways. And that has already been done on this one (which I have done already several times as PLD with and i90 party).
    no there are not. other than hacking. you gotta kill adds to unlock doors, simple as that. only a few points where you can take big pulls and it actually matters.
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    Pizzaparty7's Avatar
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    Ty'phon Mobos
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    Exodus
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    manor HM is like 14 mins speed pulled. Brayflox is like 12.

    People speed run because 1) we need lots of tomes, and 2) we don't all want to spend 100 years getting them. Brayflox is only mildly amusing if you do it in big pulls. If we actually took it 2mobs at a time, it would be awful dull. SE doesn't need to "fix" anything, just try not being such a whiner in duty finder.
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    Amardis Amariyo
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    Ragnarok
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    Archer Lv 50
    it was mentioned several times, you can not expect ilvl90+ not to speed run ilvl55 dungeon, i mean there is absolutely no challenge there, you can literally turn of monitor and faceroll keyboard
    the proper way would be to ask SE to implement ilvl100+ 4 man content
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    Miakis Lunefalena
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    Cerberus
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    I don't get why people have to do it in DF parties?

    People asked for PF, they got it.. And now they won't use it?
    Chances are that with a PF group, you can cap much faster than doing a roulette followed by repeated Brayflox HM runs, including the waiting for a full party. Especially if you go for the traditional BLM+BRD or BLM+BLM dps set ups.

    Just stop being a dick to people you don't know, just because you'll probably never see them again.
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