Solutions to stop speedrunning

[JonBigwood]

I think the solution is communication, but it's not that easy and not everyone is in the mood to start typing instead of starting the dungeon.

People who want to go fast usually say something, those who don't want big pulls also. Others just let the tank decide and many times pull additional mobs if they want to have bigger groups. In my case I have a look at the HP of the party and if all are high HP I'm more at ease to pull more (not huge pulls unless asked to.) If someone has low HP (especially if it's the healer) I am more cautious.

In WP it's the same, depending on the group you can go faster or not.

If there are no ranged DPS it doesn't make much sense to pull big groups.

In fact there are keys and doors, and developers know the lock out tecniques, etc. so speed runs surely were predicted by them.

The fact that planning the dungeon by the party and communicating makes things better is probably something desired by the developers too. An MMO is a lot about relationship with other players and team play, even in a Duty Finder team.

[Sapphic]

I've been thinking about this, and I guess it really comes down: what is the actual problem with speed runs? Not with people, but speed running a dungeon?

Not to mention, if ilvl90 or higher geared, single pack pulling gives zero challenge, in Braflox HM. doing a single pull pre boss makes you have to use CDs. watch aggro on multiple mobs, healer needs to be on their game as the tank takes a LOT of damage and the DPS need to burn hard.

Speed runs add a modicum of challenge over normal runs.

[Sapphic]

The solution is already there! COMMUNICATE!!!

Fixed.

I mostly tank in DF and if I see the party is high ilvl (just nee dto check HP) ask if they want hard and fast or slow and steady. If the party is around 3k HPish, then I'll take it steadier. Also it is NOT just the tank that pushes speedruns. Ive had parties with a high ilvl Healer and too low ilvl DDs. So I started steady to gauge what they could handle. After 3rd pull, as puleld to what seemed they could handle comfortably, healer left because wasn't fast enough. DDs whining that it wasnt a speed run when the healer was low Ilvl.

So no, don't put it on one role

[Moqi]

Usually if you ask not to speedrun people won't. At least, that's what always happened to me. Personally I don't like speedrunning at all and if asked, I always reply no. The only dungeons I SR are Praetorium and CM, and even then, if there is a new player, I always tell them that we can finish it just fine with 7 people and to enjoy the story and the cutscenes if they want to.

[Fuyuu]

Fixed.

I mostly tank in DF and if I see the party is high ilvl (just nee dto check HP) ask if they want hard and fast or slow and steady. If the party is around 3k HPish, then I'll take it steadier. Also it is NOT just the tank that pushes speedruns. Ive had parties with a high ilvl Healer and too low ilvl DDs. So I started steady to gauge what they could handle. After 3rd pull, as puleld to what seemed they could handle comfortably, healer left because wasn't fast enough. DDs whining that it wasnt a speed run when the healer was low Ilvl.

So no, don't put it on one role

This also work, haha!

[Yumi_umi]

Btw why can't they just add in a bomb monster that dies in 1 hit in every few mobs. It will apply a party wide stacking debuff that will make the next similar death explosion do more damage, so if they are all rounded up and popped they will kill the whole party. ( similar to ifrit ex nails ) so that way they are easy to kill , a mechanic that prevents speed running / pulling all the mobs then aoe bursting them.

[Tinker]

That extra 15 min would be much less if you just took 15 seconds to talk to your group.

As the first pull takes under a minute, I think 'much less' in this case is rather overstated.

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[Tinker]

As a healer, I personally LOVE it when a tank wants to do big pulls. The current dungeons, as designed, offer only an illusion of difficulty. Larger pulls just make things more exciting. I have to be on the ball, as one mistake could mean everyone's death. I love it!

Standard slow pulls? I'll just let Eos heal you while I run in circles around the mob and Miasma II. Maybe even let out a bad pun or two.

If you think about it, its rather sad. My pet can quite effectively heal most dungeons on its own (apart from boss encounters) when playing them as designed. We need harder PF dungeons :-/

[PenutButter]

As a healer, I personally LOVE it when a tank wants to do big pulls. The current dungeons, as designed, offer only an illusion of difficulty. Larger pulls just make things more exciting. I have to be on the ball, as one mistake could mean everyone's death. I love it!

Standard slow pulls? I'll just let Eos heal you while I run in circles around the mob and Miasma II. Maybe even let out a bad pun or two.

If you think about it, its rather sad. My pet can quite effectively heal most dungeons on its own (apart from boss encounters) when playing them as designed. We need harder PF dungeons :-/

But if dungeons are too hard then people will whine about them being too hard, like how Pharos Sirius and Amphador Township were. Make it hard and people will ask for nerfs or demand absolutely ridiculous requirements to run it; you do know they nerft Pharos Sirius cuz it "too hard" right? Seriously, what do you people want?

Not that any of that actually matters, people will just do easiest and most profitable dungeons, completely ignoring the harder ones. Some will probably only doing the harder ones once or twice for "the challenge."

The only solution I can think of is to make harder dungeons drop significantly better rewards, to make them "worthwhile." Even then though, I'm sure this will bring its own host of problems and people will still definitely definitely find something to whine about it.