DF one big cess pool for practice

[Moirear]

By making a group for it.

Oh you mean that lone DPS sitting in a PF entry "wanting to learn" difficult fights that gets ignored because the majority of people want quick and easy wins on said content? Please.

I go into DF Roulette every time fully well expecting to help out new players. That's the whole point behind the reward you get from roulettes. You may have not realized this if you have an issue with newbies in the DF, I guess.

[ispano]

Oh you mean that lone DPS sitting in a PF entry "wanting to learn" difficult fights that gets ignored because the majority of people want quick and easy wins on said content? Please.

I go into DF Roulette every time fully well expecting to help out new players. That's the whole point behind the reward you get from roulettes. You may have not realized this if you have an issue with newbies in the DF, I guess.

Hey it works VERY well on the Japanese servers. Make a group with people you can group up with again reliably to learn the content, then when you go into DF, you know it already. People say often that you need to work with a group for a while before being able to do it with that group, and for most content this is false. If everyone knows the fight, it takes very little to adjust.

The problem of people not using learning PFs is their own, be they the one who creates and is stuck alone or not.

The problem is that people, for the most part, can't use DF for semi hard things at all, because people use it for practice. But on the Japanese servers, they do it all the time. Also the roulette rewards are enticement to get people to do the roulettes to fill spots in low traffic dungeons.

[kristerrr86]

Are we playing the same game? I find the success rate on Titan HM via DF higher than ever because of the daily trial roulette which makes so that usually 1-2 people on the party is overkill overgeared, could solo it, and has more kill EXP than needed to finish all relics for all classes 5 years into the future.

If you want to see low DF kill% you should've tried Titan HM in DF during mid 2.0. THAT was true hell xD

True story! :P



To all of you complaining about your servers PF why dont you make your own party in PF? its easy

[Ulathskullsplitter]

Ya I'm getting sick and tired of people "practicing" titan extreme in DF. And PF on my server only wanting one shot experienced runs. I just want my win already. Been banging my head against titan today and just venting my frustration. You know it's a fail if you don't get past heart on first try. Then people say " just keep trying for echo". No. If you can't even get past heart without it no amount of echo is going to save this party. Ugh. I'm going to play something else for a while.

[Lyrinn]

Hey it works VERY well on the Japanese servers.

Not disagreeing with you but just clarifying that the reason it works on JP servers is because that is the accepted standard. Practice in PF, go for the win in DF. You don't waste other people's time in DF. On NA servers, the accepted standard is the other way around for some reason.

[Taruranto]

Can this be changed?

And how do you propose that happen, pretty please?

[Kuwagami]

So let me get this right
They implement PF so if you wanted you could try and learn without weing bashed in DF. Leaving people no room for anything

fixed it for you

Oh you mean that lone DPS sitting in a PF entry "wanting to learn" difficult fights that gets ignored because the majority of people want quick and easy wins on said content? Please.

aproximatively 20 minutes. even T2 rot learning (true story, I found one and it filled in under 5 minutes)
But yeah, you have to try first.. and it's hard to be willing to say "I'm here to learn" if there are 10+ PF with "1 error = kick"

Ya I'm getting sick and tired of people "practicing" titan extreme in DF. And PF on my server only wanting one shot experienced runs. I just want my win already. Been banging my head against titan today and just venting my frustration. You know it's a fail if you don't get past heart on first try. Then people say " just keep trying for echo". No. If you can't even get past heart without it no amount of echo is going to save this party. Ugh. I'm going to play something else for a while.

tbh, I "practiced" titan in DF in european time when my server was deserted. Yet I usually found beginners there... Got a kill with friendly people, and I never came back. But usually, be it PF or DF, you can have some golden rules :
=> one try for heart. They have to reach it. If people die to landslide, they won't do it.
=> 3 tries for post heart. If the group fails once to reach heart it's done. If they fail 3 times to get post heart it's done
=> one try for first adds, because you can tell pretty quick if you're gonna make it
=> 2 tries for superbomb. Because these plumes in between are deadly for laggy people.


Usually, groups fail at either step 1 or 2. a few fail at step 3, and most of the groups failing at step 4 just derp/lag.

good luck :/

[NinjaTaru72]

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[Moirear]

Why the burden of putting together a party the long, slow, and old-fashioned way is on the new players is a mystery to me. All I hear is bitter old farts complaining about new players and wanting them to get off their damn lawn.

[Marael]

Can this be changed? now days people go to DF to learn and don't mind messing up in front of other players possibly not even from the same server. Once in a blue you can clear content from early as Garuda Ex on even Titan hm it's just been a matter of luck.

So... by your logic... everyone should just know everything... and never have to learn fights or anything in any way... because reasons...?

Soooooo, if someone isn't learning a fight in DF, where should they be learning it? Through direct data downloads to their brain ala the Matrix? If you have such a problem with people using DF to learn instances, grab a linkshell and put a static together, use party finder, join a FC that regularly does the content you want to do, or any number of other things.