Ya I'm getting sick and tired of people "practicing" titan extreme in DF. And PF on my server only wanting one shot experienced runs. I just want my win already. Been banging my head against titan today and just venting my frustration. You know it's a fail if you don't get past heart on first try. Then people say " just keep trying for echo". No. If you can't even get past heart without it no amount of echo is going to save this party. Ugh. I'm going to play something else for a while.