DF one big cess pool for practice

[Moirear]

Are you serious, OP?

Go into the Party Finder on my server and you'll see:

9 "Know the fight"/"weekly kill, be experienced or get kicked"/etc.-type parties looking for more.
5 FATE/Chocobo grinding groups
3 WTB/WTS/recruitment entries
0-1 learning parties for any content


Where the hell else are people supposed to learn if they're not in a helpful FC or LS, than not in the DF?

[ispano]

Are you serious, OP?

Go into the Party Finder on my server and you'll see:

9 "Know the fight"/"weekly kill, be experienced or get kicked"/etc.-type parties looking for more.
5 FATE/Chocobo grinding groups
3 WTB/WTS/recruitment entries
0-1 learning parties for any content


Where the hell else are people supposed to learn if they're not in a helpful FC or LS, than not in the DF?

By making a group for it.

[Moirear]

By making a group for it.

Oh you mean that lone DPS sitting in a PF entry "wanting to learn" difficult fights that gets ignored because the majority of people want quick and easy wins on said content? Please.

I go into DF Roulette every time fully well expecting to help out new players. That's the whole point behind the reward you get from roulettes. You may have not realized this if you have an issue with newbies in the DF, I guess.

[ispano]

Oh you mean that lone DPS sitting in a PF entry "wanting to learn" difficult fights that gets ignored because the majority of people want quick and easy wins on said content? Please.

I go into DF Roulette every time fully well expecting to help out new players. That's the whole point behind the reward you get from roulettes. You may have not realized this if you have an issue with newbies in the DF, I guess.

Hey it works VERY well on the Japanese servers. Make a group with people you can group up with again reliably to learn the content, then when you go into DF, you know it already. People say often that you need to work with a group for a while before being able to do it with that group, and for most content this is false. If everyone knows the fight, it takes very little to adjust.

The problem of people not using learning PFs is their own, be they the one who creates and is stuck alone or not.

The problem is that people, for the most part, can't use DF for semi hard things at all, because people use it for practice. But on the Japanese servers, they do it all the time. Also the roulette rewards are enticement to get people to do the roulettes to fill spots in low traffic dungeons.

[Lyrinn]

Hey it works VERY well on the Japanese servers.

Not disagreeing with you but just clarifying that the reason it works on JP servers is because that is the accepted standard. Practice in PF, go for the win in DF. You don't waste other people's time in DF. On NA servers, the accepted standard is the other way around for some reason.

[Moirear]

Why the burden of putting together a party the long, slow, and old-fashioned way is on the new players is a mystery to me. All I hear is bitter old farts complaining about new players and wanting them to get off their damn lawn.

[ispano]

Why the burden of putting together a party the long, slow, and old-fashioned way is on the new players is a mystery to me. All I hear is bitter old farts complaining about new players and wanting them to get off their damn lawn.

It's the same as telling them to learn in DF, since they get all newbies usually as well, for like Titan.

[Moirear]

It's the same as telling them to learn in DF, since they get all newbies usually as well, for like Titan.

You can queue for any duty you've unlocked, whether you've previously cleared it or not.

No amount of "this is how it works on the NA/EU/JP servers" will change that.

If anybody has a problem with getting new players up in their business, then own it. If anybody's actually an elitist whose valuable time is wasted by these awful new players, then the burden should be on them to form their own parties to quickly clear content. God knows they should have the FC and LS support to quickly fill an entire party who utterly destroys content if they're so damn awesome.

And if you still have a spot open on your Titan Extreme party or what not? Queue in DF, pick up a random player, maybe someone who's new, and carry them. Because if you can't do that, you're a failure of an elitist: you're a scrub.

[Lamentations]

By making a group for it.

Let me spell it out for you, FC has 60+ members, roughly 30 of those are daily regulars, most are multiple 50 and endgame, coil, atma grind etc.

New guy says hey can anyone help me out with tam tara?, lol wut? DF dude.

If your a first timer in any dungeon your "practicing", because "you have never done it before".

Your talking about groups?, whytf do these 30 people have a "group" at all?.

FCs at this stage in the game are just static coil groups, if your new you go it alone DF dude.

New players roam a vast empty wasteland at low level unless people are atma grinding there, then 3 noobs que up for DF and get one vet, who promptly rages about noobs and drops, screwing the whole party.

I guess I "do" need to start forming PF groups, and put up conditions that say "no vets. no speedruns", just noobs.

[Elven]

Are you serious, OP?

Go into the Party Finder on my server and you'll see:

9 "Know the fight"/"weekly kill, be experienced or get kicked"/etc.-type parties looking for more.
5 FATE/Chocobo grinding groups
3 WTB/WTS/recruitment entries
0-1 learning parties for any content


Where the hell else are people supposed to learn if they're not in a helpful FC or LS, than not in the DF?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying NO COMPLAINT just an observation that when I started learning in DF people had a lot more patience and learning curve. Now days it seems a lot harder to learn there hope that clears it up for you.