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  1. #21
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    IzumiRaito's Avatar
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    Give ARCHER dps limit break.
    Give Bard support limit break.
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    Lemuria Glitterhands
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    I still think it's utterly stupid to class Archer/Bard as a DPS on the one hand and then give them a healer LB with the other. It's paradoxical and nonsensical. If Bard were in some limbo 'support' category I might agree with them having a support LB, but as it stands their whole purpose is damage.

    It's not even as though the LB makes sense even from a SUPPORT standpoint. It's not support, it's blatant healing. If it were some kind of party-wide damage buff or a defense debuff on the mob, it might at least make more sense in terms of support for a DPS class. Personally, I'm convinced they just didn't want to give Archers a unique LB. It would make no sense for them to use magic or melee skills, after all... so naturally heals. Even though that makes just as little sense as the rest.
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  3. #23
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    It's not even as though the LB makes sense even from a SUPPORT standpoint. It's not support, it's blatant healing. If it were some kind of party-wide damage buff or a defense debuff on the mob, it might at least make more sense in terms of support for a DPS class. Personally, I'm convinced they just didn't want to give Archers a unique LB. It would make no sense for them to use magic or melee skills, after all... so naturally heals. Even though that makes just as little sense as the rest.
    I'll take it that you never played FFT. No wonder then why you can't see a bard healing. Also, Bard's storyline shows a healing song.
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    Temisu Namisu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    I still think it's utterly stupid to class Archer/Bard as a DPS on the one hand and then give them a healer LB with the other. It's paradoxical and nonsensical. If Bard were in some limbo 'support' category I might agree with them having a support LB, but as it stands their whole purpose is damage.
    Um... no. Bard's role is to provide support. That's why it gets to sing Songs that enhances the party. The official description of the Job also demonstrates its purpose (straight from the official website: http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs - emphasis mine ):

    The word "bard" ordinarily puts folk in mind of those itinerant minstrels, fair of voice and nimble of finger, who earn their coin performing in taverns and the halls of great lords. Few know, however, that bards in fact trace their origins back to the bowmen of eld, who sang in the heat of battle to fortify the spirits of their companions.
    In time, their impassioned songs came to hold sway over the hearts of men, inspiring their comrades to great feats and granting peace unto those who lay upon the precipice of death.
    It can also provide support DPS (regardless of whether it sings or not). With Bard being shown to be the lowest of the DPS (especially without the Dragoon's Disembowel buff), this further puts it into supporting DPS rather than pure DPS. Otherwise, their damage would be more in line with true DPS. Archer, on the other hand, is a DPS class. It offers no real support to the party, and focusses mostly on dealing damage.

    It doesn't make sense that Archer has the healer LB, but for Bard it is perfectly sensible. If the animation was to be more reflective of the situation, you would probably see the Bard sing out a last song of encouragement that boosts the morale of the party and gets them back on their feet to charge back at the enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
    If BRD gets dps limit break, every other melee can say goodbye to many stuff.
    Totally this. But for what it's worth, I actually like the BRD LB. BRDs have the potential to save a run in the event that the healers are dead, or they just can't LB for whatever reason. It's nice to have variety.
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    If BRD limit break is good for your group, then your group is not good.

    And that's all there is to it. Current BRD limit break is bad. If you think it's good, then you are worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
    If BRD gets dps limit break, every other melee can say goodbye to many stuff.
    Yeah because another ranged class having a dps limit break would totally make people not bring melee. That's the reason I'm sure. Just like BLM and SMN means nobody brings melee now right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    Totally this.
    Totally NOT this. You are wrong.
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    Last edited by MurakumoMillennium; 05-01-2014 at 05:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium View Post
    Yeah because another ranged class having a dps limit break would totally make people not bring melee. That's the reason I'm sure. Just like BLM and SMN means nobody brings melee now right?



    Totally NOT this. You are wrong.
    Yes, because everyone plays this game on your superior level. If you can't understand how/why it may be good to have a back-up healer LB for the greater player base, then you need to get your head out of your ass.
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium View Post
    If BRD limit break is good for your group, then your group is not good.

    And that's all there is to it. Current BRD limit break is bad. If you think it's good, then you are worse.
    It's more usefull than having just another damage LB. MNK, DRG, SMN, BLM, 4 damage LBs 2xsingle target, 2xAE. SCH. WHM, BRD, heal LBs, PLD, WAR, Defence LB. Why would you need a 5th damage LB? I'd rather have a situational LB that can save the party, then "just another pewpew LB that any of the 4 main DPS classes can do already. Not to mention, better it locks the BRD in the LB animation than the main healer.

    You don't magically start a fight having it on farm status, neither does killing it once. Things happen. It's an "Oh sh*t" button thats there if needed.
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    Last edited by Sapphic; 05-01-2014 at 07:16 AM.

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    Arwyn Elven
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    Since usually the bard is the last man standing in a fight it makes sense to use that limit break but it should be done without weakness. The result is always the same and people die almost instantly.
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