FOR DEVS!! Please also change Bard's Limit Break!!

[Ryihito]

No. Keep Bard as a Heal LB. Learn how to use it, I've saved us from many wipes before using it.

[Kuwagami]

SSo Since SMN is getting something different, I agree that BRD should not have to use healing abilities when they Limit Break. I mean they don't have a single healing ability not even a regen song so why?? lol

That argument is flawed. Bards were originally buffers with also a regen song. It's only natural to have a healing LB.
Also, if you ever played bard, you'd know that they do have a regen song. We players just can't have it yet. Maybe with the level cap raise which will give levi and ramuh-egis to smn =)

[Astralos]

I'd like to suggest changing Bladedance to Dolphin Blow for PGLs/MNKs, if for nothing more than to see a giant dolphin come out of nowhere.

[IzumiRaito]

Give ARCHER dps limit break.
Give Bard support limit break.

[Lemuria]

I still think it's utterly stupid to class Archer/Bard as a DPS on the one hand and then give them a healer LB with the other. It's paradoxical and nonsensical. If Bard were in some limbo 'support' category I might agree with them having a support LB, but as it stands their whole purpose is damage.

It's not even as though the LB makes sense even from a SUPPORT standpoint. It's not support, it's blatant healing. If it were some kind of party-wide damage buff or a defense debuff on the mob, it might at least make more sense in terms of support for a DPS class. Personally, I'm convinced they just didn't want to give Archers a unique LB. It would make no sense for them to use magic or melee skills, after all... so naturally heals. Even though that makes just as little sense as the rest.

[Kuwagami]

It's not even as though the LB makes sense even from a SUPPORT standpoint. It's not support, it's blatant healing. If it were some kind of party-wide damage buff or a defense debuff on the mob, it might at least make more sense in terms of support for a DPS class. Personally, I'm convinced they just didn't want to give Archers a unique LB. It would make no sense for them to use magic or melee skills, after all... so naturally heals. Even though that makes just as little sense as the rest.

I'll take it that you never played FFT. No wonder then why you can't see a bard healing. Also, Bard's storyline shows a healing song.

[Themis]

I still think it's utterly stupid to class Archer/Bard as a DPS on the one hand and then give them a healer LB with the other. It's paradoxical and nonsensical. If Bard were in some limbo 'support' category I might agree with them having a support LB, but as it stands their whole purpose is damage.

Um... no. Bard's role is to provide support. That's why it gets to sing Songs that enhances the party. The official description of the Job also demonstrates its purpose (straight from the official website: http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs - emphasis mine ):

The word "bard" ordinarily puts folk in mind of those itinerant minstrels, fair of voice and nimble of finger, who earn their coin performing in taverns and the halls of great lords. Few know, however, that bards in fact trace their origins back to the bowmen of eld, who sang in the heat of battle to fortify the spirits of their companions.
In time, their impassioned songs came to hold sway over the hearts of men, inspiring their comrades to great feats and granting peace unto those who lay upon the precipice of death.

It can also provide support DPS (regardless of whether it sings or not). With Bard being shown to be the lowest of the DPS (especially without the Dragoon's Disembowel buff), this further puts it into supporting DPS rather than pure DPS. Otherwise, their damage would be more in line with true DPS. Archer, on the other hand, is a DPS class. It offers no real support to the party, and focusses mostly on dealing damage.

It doesn't make sense that Archer has the healer LB, but for Bard it is perfectly sensible. If the animation was to be more reflective of the situation, you would probably see the Bard sing out a last song of encouragement that boosts the morale of the party and gets them back on their feet to charge back at the enemy.

[MurakumoMillennium]

If BRD limit break is good for your group, then your group is not good.

And that's all there is to it. Current BRD limit break is bad. If you think it's good, then you are worse.

[Sapphic]

If BRD limit break is good for your group, then your group is not good.

And that's all there is to it. Current BRD limit break is bad. If you think it's good, then you are worse.

It's more usefull than having just another damage LB. MNK, DRG, SMN, BLM, 4 damage LBs 2xsingle target, 2xAE. SCH. WHM, BRD, heal LBs, PLD, WAR, Defence LB. Why would you need a 5th damage LB? I'd rather have a situational LB that can save the party, then "just another pewpew LB that any of the 4 main DPS classes can do already. Not to mention, better it locks the BRD in the LB animation than the main healer.

You don't magically start a fight having it on farm status, neither does killing it once. Things happen. It's an "Oh sh*t" button thats there if needed.

[Kuwagami]

If BRD limit break is good for your group, then your group is not good.

And that's all there is to it. Current BRD limit break is bad. If you think it's good, then you are worse.

Not trying to be a DB, but this point is usable against any LB

using tank LB ? => you're too bad to heal through damage/slow damage coming (thinking about ultima HM or some coil "oh shit" moments when you need that huge damage reduction. I remember finishing a T5 that way ^^)
using mage LB ? => your dps is so lame you can't kill multiple adds in time (thinking of Levi ex for example, or T5' snakes. mage LB is all but necessary, yet useful and gladly used)
using melee LB ? => your dps is just so awful that you need this huge extra damage output (ifrit Ex, or rather pretty every fight where DDs launch the LB whenever possible)


No LB is needed. "If they are good for you, then your group is not good" heh ? LB is what it is, a massive help at some times you want to have it. Be it heler, tank or dps, they all have a use at some time, but you can perfectly beat all the content without LBing even once. It's just harder.


try to take that post lightly. I'm not telling that you are utterly bad as a player/group if you use a LB. Just that saying "healing LB is for Bad player" doesn't have any sense