Why don't skilled players help people who are struggling?

[Rufalus]

The game difficulty is balanced so that for the most difficult battles, almost every player in the party must perform well, or nobody will succeed; we are very co-dependent on each other to make any progress. For people who are not in a 'static' group of elite players, this means needing luck in finding random players via Duty Finder or Party Finder groups. However, random groups of players have a near 100% failure rate. I've tried some dozens of different Titan (extreme) groups, but most fail the battle near the beginning even after many attempts, due to the actions of perhaps a few players in the team.

It's hard to get any team together in the first place to attempt battles, as PF teams can take an unreasonable amount of time to fill and asking assistance from the many players standing around Revenant's Toll usually garners no reply. I think part of the problem is that once the most skilled players have cleared content, for whatever reason they don't feel the incentive to re-visit it or help people who are lagging behind, and the pool of available skilled players shrinks considerably.

Today I did come across a group of players who claimed to be able to beat any primal or raid, but they were charging 4 million gil per battle for their services. Primal battles only last about 10 minutes if you succeed so it's not very draining on anyone's time, and 4 million gil would probably take me 18 months to save up incidentally by doing my regular routine of playing dungeons and such. I don't know why they think they should take 4 million gil from another player in order to get up and offer 10 minutes of assistance.

I often help people who are lower down the ladder without asking for anything in return. To see people who are incredibly happy and grateful to have finally beaten something which they may have been struggling with for a long time, it's a good feeling and an experience that leaves a good memory. Sometimes it just happens incidentally as I am seeking something for myself and somebody else benefits from my presence. It would be nice if the extreme mode primals for example offered something to incentivise the elite players to revisit them, so that other players may benefit from their presence. i90 accessories from Garuda, Titan and Ifrit have not been enough to encourage players to repeat them many times.

It would also be good if a reward was offered for joining a PF group and staying till the completion of the requested duty. I recently requested help for Hydra, but nobody wanted to help, I suppose there was no incentive for them, and my PF recruitment eventually reached an arbitrary time limit and was removed from the listings. The way things are now, I think it's very hard to find a group of 8 skilled players who are all online at the same time and willing to assist with a duty, and not charge an incredible amount of gil for their services.

Update: I've just had a look at the translations for the recent event which I believe has answers for my concerns. EX Primals will receive an expert trials roulette. If the reward is sufficient for this roulette, I believe it could bring back players who are good at these duties to help others who have not yet cleared them.

As for coil raids, I believe these are already scheduled to receive increasing amounts of echo, so it will be possible to proceed through them with anyone who is available to participate regardless of their skill level, eventually. I must say I am pleased with the way the game is evening out. It makes me wonder if a roulette for raids such as binding coil and second coil turns will eventually be introduced as they become casualised to suit players who are randomly matched together through the duty finder.

[Synapse]

I do every time i can, mostly in DF.

The listening is up to them.

When i give a tip.. some listen some dont.

"Don't Open those chest, there is nothing valuable in them, not worth the hassle with the Mimic"

it was fun, the Healer laughed, the other DPS laughed and i laughed. The other DPS returned and learned it the hard way.

[Lemon8or]

People play games for different reasons. On some nights I just want to be left alone to farm to my heart's content or progress on new fights. Some other nights, I might help my FC through Titan EX, which most of them were stuck on before 2.2 but thanks to Echo, we're now able to clear it. What you feel is not exclusive to you but not universal for everybody at all time. They'll increase the echo eventually if they feel the general public still needs assistance with it but 25% is already a lot, given that there's now soldiery tomes to help gear people up way better than before. For now, make friends with people you think are good from the various PF you do. Make more friends than 8 so you don't have to wait till all of them are on and can grab the majority of the party then make your own PF and beat the fight, asking for a specific experience level that you feel you're comfortable with.

[Ddmk]

I try to help (politly) but I get told
1.dont tell me how to play
2.dont tell me what to do
3.so and so said this way is better

End result,I cba anymore

[Lyrinn]

I help only if people ask for it (nicely) or seem receptive (learning/practice groups). For whatever reason, people seem to get offended if you offer advice without them asking first so I don't bother otherwise. Then there are those who seem to equate help with carry.

[Doo]

Helping end game could mean wiping for hours till the new person learns the fight. The way end game is designed just makes it unfriendly towards new players.

[Lani]

Join a good FC. By good I mean one that cares about its members and is organized. Hard to find but they are out there.

[Raenryong]

It's frustrating, honestly.

A good percentage of the high-end players who can destroy those fights with ease are also interested in endgame raid progression (ie coil). This typically means wiping to bosses for x hours per week, where x depends on how hardcore your FC in question is - 10+ hours is not too unusual.

After spending such a long time learning and wiping to those new fights, the prospect of effectively relearning and endlessly wiping to old content is not an appealing one. Not to mention, that frustration you feel when you have those people who simply can't dodge, or do horrible outputs? The helper feels this too, and knows that any time invested will be futile as there isn't a hope in hell of clearing the fight with that person/those people in the party.

[HumsterMKX]

I tried. Seriously I tried. Nowadays, I just watch everything burn to the ground

*please insert Judge Dread scene which he watches ppl burn alive*

[mindful]

It is simple , It is youtube videos one of the worst things to happen to online gaming. Most skill players no longer will teach players how to play and will just tell them to watch a video and it will be the most popular one. People tend to forget that we are not robots and are humans and not everyone got the same eye, hand coordination and reflexes. Yet there are usually other ways around the most popular video for all players to work around and takes longer times. Yet people want it fast and now.

So most skill players usually just hang out with good friends or like minded people. And then when they do join a duty finder they may found a better way to run the dungeon for the party , but it is not a popular youtube video and ask the players in the DF to do something and they like say "i know". Refused to changed from the video they were train on. To make life easy for everyone.