Why don't skilled players help people who are struggling?

[Massterchef]

Experienced people have already put the time into learning both new/old content and so should everyone else if they expect to clear it.

If you want to clear challenging content then find an FC or LS that will cater to you rather than expecting strangers to re-spend time teaching people content they have already dedicated hours to.

[i2agnarok]

No no, that isn't what the thread is about, I dont need a training party. In the case of titan I can dodge and play just fine. But this isn't a 1-player game, I need other people to do it with me. There are people capable of beating titan out there, but getting 8 of them together in one group at the same time is no easy task.

I think what Sapphic is saying and what you are saying aren't mutually exclusive.
Although they don't seem to have entirely gotten everything, the points are still valid.
Think about how many people can't dodge.
Think of how many people don't realize that there are patterns.
Think of how many people make no effort to learn a fight.


That is why skilled players don't go out of their way to help people.
Are you capable of learning, or are you going to faceroll until everyone quits?
You may occasionally get someone with experience that jumps into a learning party and contributes.
Personally, I think the success rate of a learning party is quicker than that of a kill party.
The people that don't read are going to leave immediately anyway.
Those that do read are probably going to pay attention during the fight, or at least attempt to learn it.

Your mileage may vary, but I've had a decent amount of success with it on content that isn't T5.
It takes a while, as you mentioned in the OP, but it is what it is.

Even if you don't have your group together overnight, you can try to form something with those that show promise, at least.

[RumiP]

we are very co-dependent on each other to make any progress

I think you mean "dependent." "Co-dependent" is something very different from what you're describing.

Statics form because a group of people want to complete content. It is very well known that if you maintain the same composition of players, everyone learns the content together and what works for them as a group to beat it. This takes time and patience to find where everything clicks.

Introducing even one new player, adds a variety of uncertainties to an otherwise already derived formula for success, usually needing more time and patience to relearn a fight. Then that one person moves on and your regular sat out of an opportunity for loot that improves the static's performance.

There's nothing elitist or unfair about it. Everyone was in the same boat at some point, and those who wanted it formed groups, VOIP, and pounded away until the fight was mastered.

In short, you are asking for an unknown investment of time from 7 people, 8 really, for what in return?

Also, you have a very long post with some good ideas, but my post here is not addressing its entirety. I am only addressing the idea that statics are somehow unfair to other players.

[ExiaQuanta]

because

"Dont Tell Me what to do!" "Sorry for not being as pro as you are mr. pro"

that is all...

[Wolf_Gang]

Some of the biggest Aholes I encounter I new players.

[mindful]

One thing people tend to forget also is not every one got a photo graphic memory. or hand and eye coordination that can match the videos there watching . to learn there rotations. If they did then all PuGs and DF groups would not be that hard.

Give a simply analogy: Most people can with very little training use a baseball bat and hit a slow pitch soft ball. Maybe not far or fair, but hit the ball some where. If there missing the ball alot . With a little help you can help them actually hit the ball if there missing it all the time. Yet it starts to get harder as you move to fast pitch softball , then to real major league baseball, MLB , Were most of the players can never with all the practice in the world get to. All the teaching and practice may not make most people even hit a fast pitch softball, but to get to the major leagues usually talent and dedications.

Then it becomes a team sport/game for the rest of the players. For those that are willing to be a team player. Yet not all teams like to carry the slower players around.

[Zaels]

because

"Dont Tell Me what to do!" "Sorry for not being as pro as you are mr. pro"

that is all...

That is honestly why I don't bother talking to them. I'd try to be nice about it, but if they give me an attitude I will likely tell them off and it just gets worse from there.

If someone's that bad, I'd rather just leave and accept the penalty.

[CrystalRainbow]

I'm not that skilled, But I help when I have more skill there others, And I never talk down to other people trying to have fun.


So I wouldn't say never happens but people seem to remember the negative events more strongly.


Also, Lots of times it comes off as rude. Do it this way or you sucks.

Vs

I think you are missing something in your rotation I watched Mr. Happy's youtube video and it helped a lot.

[Foo01]

If the skilled player is using the duty finder, it makes no sense whatsoever that they do not help. But nonetheless those so called elitist exist. They treat everyone else as scrubs and couldn't bear to be with them unwashed masses. But they abuse the duty finder.... Go figure? And then they get mad at the wipes and the other players.

To those elitists who want to speed run, stay off the duty finder, use the party finder, set your super high elitist requirements and have at it. You do NOT need to teach no noobs, and you won't be required to, asked to, or expected to. You might have to kick once in a while and you might be all alone by yourself, but that is your choice.

The question is why do you, elitist, use the duty finder and subject yourself to the frustration you don't want? If you are not going help, everyone is going to wipe over and over, and just what do you, elitist, get out of it?

[JayCommon]

If the skilled player is using the duty finder, it makes no sense whatsoever that they do not help.

I totally agree with this. I usually run stuff with FC, in PF, or statics. In PF when the comment says "FARM PARTY DIE TWICE AND YOUR KICKED", I don't expect to have to explain anything. Even when everyone but me dies twice, I still won't explain it. Why should I? I only joined the party, I didn't verbalize those requirements. I joined because I thought everyone knew what they were doing. Sometimes it is the case, and sometimes it isn't.

However for my roulettes, I would wager a good 7/10 runs I get into with at least 1 new person to the fight. I have absolutely no problem explaining fights to those people and helping people out. In fact, I like doing it. It's satisfying explaining a few mechanics to someone that is totally oblivious and watch them tackle the content like a pro. Granted, most 4man dungeons are fairly easy, but i still enjoy being a catalyst to player growth, rather than "pay me for X content". I have over 200 commendations as a DPS from doing this, and MAYBE 20 of those were gotten through guildhesting as a tank. Even then I usually give pointers there too, because i also DF those.

I like the primal fights in this game, so sometimes I will just DF into a random primal fight and help people with that. Give people a semblance of hope that skilled players exist in the DF.

If I am not trying to get my own agenda's accomplished, I jump into "learning group" PFs occasionally also to help out. But I also run an FC, RP as a mistrel at a house-pub on Friday nights, have a coil progression static, and obligations to assist newcomers to our FC. All while working 50+ hrs a week.

4man dungeons are fine to go into with no prior knowledge, as boss fights are usually easy and painless to explain. When you get into the 8man primals and higher, you really shouldn't expect anyone to explain anything to you, when you can do your part and at least watch a video. I learn by doing, not by seeing. Even that being said, at least video's give you an idea of what your up against.