Why don't skilled players help people who are struggling?

[Rufalus]

I've just had a look at the translations for the recent event which I believe has answers for my concerns. EX Primals will receive an expert trials roulette. If the reward is sufficient for this roulette, I believe it could bring back players who are good at these duties to help others who have not yet cleared them.

As for coil raids, I believe these are already scheduled to receive increasing amounts of echo, so it will be possible to proceed through them with anyone who is available to participate regardless of their skill level, eventually. I must say I am pleased with the way the game is evening out. It makes me wonder if a roulette for raids such as binding coil and second coil turns will eventually be introduced as they become casualised to suit players who are randomly matched together through the duty finder.

I will update my original post to reflect this.

[Moirear]

I help people all the time, but they need to ask for it.

When I open the PF, on my server, I see way too many entries for difficult content saying something to the extent of "Know the fight", and hardly ever "learning party" or whatnot. I regularly join the latter or any that seem neutral or asking for help of some sorts. The ones that seem to demand some level of experience or skill might be posted by someone hoping to get carried, or attract people who really aren't very good at the duty. I actually don't mind carrying someone who asks for help, as long as I know that's what I'm getting into.

Concerning the DF, a lot of people quit or vote abandon way too quickly when they could use the practice of wiping multiple times and really learning the duty. One or two wipes is way too rash of them to decide that the rest of the party is holding them back, in my experience.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Do you guys ever wonder that maybe most of those "Don't tell me what to do" players could just be over defensive because jerk players have bashed them before? It gives a negative stigma around "experienced players". It's like someone mentioned, poking an open wound. It's a defensive mechanism.

I usually say Hi~ before a dungeon begins and start a bit of chit chat sometimes, try to make a relaxed environment. Then had someone being a jerk to me and from that point I stopped bothering saying hi or being chit chatty until I see what kind of players I group with. This happened for a few dungeons after that and slowly being back to my usual self fortunately. This was you could say my defensive mechanism. Now I'm back to my normal but still alert to the kind of players I have the misfortune to group with. I've also become more aggressive now when I encounter jerks.

This could possibly be a reason why they react aggressive or rude. While I understand not everyone trying to help is being a jerk to them, they cannot translate the type of emotion trying to convey through only text. Text can get easily misinterpreted.

[RumiP]

Do you guys ever wonder that maybe most of those "Don't tell me what to do" players could just be over defensive because jerk players have bashed them before? It gives a negative stigma around "experienced players". It's like someone mentioned, poking an open wound. It's a defensive mechanism.

Not my problem.

If I'm helping someone out, they need to receive it. I'm not going to pamper someone to make sure their past video game traumas are considered. Get out the fire. Dodge the thing.

[Skivvy]

Not my problem.

If I'm helping someone out, they need to receive it. I'm not going to pamper someone to make sure their past video game traumas are considered. Get out the fire. Dodge the thing.

You sound like an awesome teacher. Video games are serious business.

[RumiP]

You sound like an awesome teacher.

I could probably give you some pointers, sure.

[Zaels]

Do you guys ever wonder that maybe most of those "Don't tell me what to do" players could just be over defensive because jerk players have bashed them before? It gives a negative stigma around "experienced players". It's like someone mentioned, poking an open wound. It's a defensive mechanism.

I don't care. If they are rude to me when I am trying to be nice, they're scum and not worth my time.

Dealing with 100 assholes doesn't give you an excuse to be one.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

I don't care. If they are rude to me when I am trying to be nice, they're scum and not worth my time.

Dealing with 100 assholes doesn't give you an excuse to be one.

Yeah, it is not justified. Generalizing people is never fair. Judging people before knowing them is wrong. It's like a vicious cycle. People are jerks to usually nice people and these become jerks back to everyone thinking they are attacking them in some way. Unfortunately it's human nature it seems. :/

[i2agnarok]

Do you guys ever wonder that maybe most of those "Don't tell me what to do" players could just be over defensive because jerk players have bashed them before? It gives a negative stigma around "experienced players". It's like someone mentioned, poking an open wound. It's a defensive mechanism.

This could possibly be a reason why they react aggressive or rude. While I understand not everyone trying to help is being a jerk to them, they cannot translate the type of emotion trying to convey through only text. Text can get easily misinterpreted.

I'm actually engaged in a back-and-forth thread about this already. I understand that it gets old, but if you let it get to you to the point where it overwrites the way you play the game, you're indirectly contributing to the issue. No one really wants to hear that, of course. Its the same as when you work a customer service job and you're tired of people yelling at you, so you either unconsciously take it out on other customers or don't give the next customer your best. It happens. It happens more on the internet.

Unfortunately, its something that you're gonna run into, especially on the internet.

Equally unfortunately, you can go through most of the game content blind and maybe wipe once or twice if you're reeeeaaaallllly not paying attention. The game later switches gears on you entirely, as someone said already; positioning becomes such a huge factor, alongside DPS checks everywhere and instant-kill mechanics. Anything that would have been considered a warmup type of content was probably optional.

Yes, "watch a video" may not give you everything you need (works for me, maybe not for you) but it is much better than going in completely blind and is less likely to make everyone mad at you and disconnect. At least know things that are going to happen, and if nothing else, be aware of things that will kill you right out the gate, or when you need to kill something ASAP.

A lot of content later on will make it obvious who is completely blind vs who has the concept down. Personally, I find it EXTREMELY irritating when someone jumps into content blind because they won't even mention it until you've wiped (sometimes multiple times) or they've done something detrimental to the group and gotten called out on it (killed spiny), and at that point, everyone's quitting.

Yes, a lot people also don't want to deal with newbies to content, but trying to hide it (and getting exposed) is just going to make people more irritable.