Hard Mode {Found It}

[AngryNixon]

TL;DR version:
Agree to disagree



Let me know if I missed the main points of your argument, but you are saying that the difference between the videos I presented and the 8man group killing the ogre is essentially intent - that is I knowing sought to exploit the most broken aspects of the game whereas they only unintentionally did so (and therefore did so to a lesser extent). The analogy that what I did is akin to defrauding a bank and what they did is more legit (like a hard working everyman) is used.

I think I personally meet you about half way on this line of thought.

In disagreement with you, I feel that we all have different "standards" when it comes to legit ways to fighting something. I believe that whether you knowingly or unknowingly abuse some massively broken aspect of the game, you are still benefiting. To extend this line of thought, which aspects are truly "broken" and which are simply just strong, intentional mechanics of the game can be blurry at times (for instance I saw you did not consider shield mechanics "broken"). Because in some rarer situations, "exploits" are hard to distinguish from variants of normal gameplay, I just usually say screw it if you can do it without 3rd party tools or overclocking your computer then it's all the same to me.

In agreement with you and continuing, just because someone (in this case me) thinks all these videos are the same, and there's really no difference in terms of exploitation does not mean everyone shares my opinion. In fact, I would probably be in the minority and you the majority if we somehow did a straw-poll. When we get into the realm of player-created challenges like solos and these high level mob group videos (where the goals are set by players, not developers), every player/group is truly entitled to their own opinion and most importantly their own sense of accomplishment. So while I roll my eyes a bit when I see someone post a celebration-parade post about 8-manning a Lv87 ogre or a Lv90 Basilisk, I'm sure many others truly see it as a great accomplishment.

In summary, we do these player-created challenges for a sense of accomplishment. What we deem as valid challenges versus invalid challenges will definitely vary group to group, issue to issue. This should not diminish our personal sense of accomplishment when we meet our own goals. This is why I am always extremely upfront and precise when describing how I solo something. It allows the person reading it to personally judge "is this valid to me or not?" and they can then make their own decision as to the validity of the method.

Agree to disagree on some points indeed

There is an underlying extended logic to my original post but both our walls of text have been cordial and I found your counter-argument quite pleasant. So in the spirit of amity I shan't tire you with another wall of counter-arguments lol.