I agree with the OP. The Wyrm Jormungand in FFXI was in the middle of nowhere and didn't drop anything worth getting. However, my LS went to kill it just for sport and it was a great fight, and we also wiped once before finalizing our strategy. It was only about pride and killing our first Wyrm, and everyone who came knew that there was no reward but to put it down. Pride is a great thing to fight for, but as I read in someones post, goodluck getting a group together consistantly for that. That's the truth right there, we did it once, and never went back to do it again. Some wanted the title for the win, but that wasn't enough to get people to drop what they're doing to give it another go. I can tell you that in FFXI I remember the rare items that I got. Not exactly how I got them though or the fights for them, but I remember with absolute certainty the epic battles of our first victories over Wyrms, expansion fights, and other impossible battles we went up against.